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Old January 5th, 2018, 08:21 PM   #1
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CALHOUN TOWERS | 287 ft | 2 x 26 stories

739 additional units in 2 22-story, 269 foot buildings and a few smaller buildings join the existing 22-story building at 3430 List Place.

http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/www/...msp-207619.pdf
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Old January 5th, 2018, 09:24 PM   #2
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Old January 5th, 2018, 09:48 PM   #3
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The renderings look very promising. It should dramatically improve the streetscape leading to the greenway and the station, which is a real ancillary benefit. If you're a wealthy manager type working in downtown Minneapolis without multiple kids, then there might not be a more suitable place for you in the entire city.
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This is a great plan but I don't see how they get it past the neighborhood.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 01:05 AM   #5
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This is a great plan but I don't see how they get it past the neighborhood.
I love the design, but I agree with you 100%. This is a fiercely NIMBY area. Not only the height, but I suspect the density will be highly controversial. It's chances for approval are slim.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 01:24 AM   #6
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Yes... The NYMBY'S will attack! Keep putting up obstacles and costly regulations and delays on developers......And people wonder why the costs of these these projects keep going up which gets passed on to the renters/buyers of these units!
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Old January 6th, 2018, 05:40 AM   #7
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I saw someone comment on the Strib about how these towers will cast shadows that will ruin Calhoun. Im not sure they realize how shadows work.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 04:54 PM   #8
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I like the development and hope it goes through as is BUT as we all know this neighborhood is going to push back HARD!! Theory.....this developer knows this and so he proposes two identical towers. There is little additional cost to design and propose 2 identical towers. Propose two and compromise with the NIMBYs to get one?
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Old January 6th, 2018, 05:58 PM   #9
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If you're not the type of person who gets active and writes to your city councilperson or goes to city hall to speak on these developments, now might be the time to change your ways. This development will really improve the street grid and density around an LRT stop, but given the location, the NIMBY backlash will be intense here.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 05:59 PM   #10
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This site was originally planned for two towers (hence “Calhoun Towers”) and may even be zoned appropriately, so the neighbors can B&M all they want but their case is weak for this parcel. Plus, if SWLRT is a go then the city is going to encourage this intensity of land use here.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 07:13 PM   #11
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I like the development and hope it goes through as is BUT as we all know this neighborhood is going to push back HARD!! Theory.....this developer knows this and so he proposes two identical towers. There is little additional cost to design and propose 2 identical towers. Propose two and compromise with the NIMBYs to get one?
Interesting thought!!
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Nice, but not going to happen.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 02:09 AM   #13
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I like the development and hope it goes through as is BUT as we all know this neighborhood is going to push back HARD!! Theory.....this developer knows this and so he proposes two identical towers. There is little additional cost to design and propose 2 identical towers. Propose two and compromise with the NIMBYs to get one?
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Interesting thought!!
I wouldn't be surprised, as mentioned above, that they have a plan "B." Perhaps one tower, or two 15-story towers with fewer units. Something will go here, just not this plan.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 07:06 AM   #14
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I wouldn't be surprised, as mentioned above, that they have a plan "B." Perhaps one tower, or two 15-story towers with fewer units. Something will go here, just not this plan.
I usually agree but in this case I just don’t think the n’hood has much to complain about. No views would be blocked by anybody other than the original Calhoun Tower. Any shadowing wouldn’t reach the SFHs in the area, and certainly wouldn’t impact the lake or park, since it’s mostly south of the site. Traffic in the area wouldn’t change much as it’s already a major thoroughfare that handles WAY more commuters than just the immediate area generates alone. Somebody can tell me if this is wrong but I suspect the site is already either zoned for development at or near this intensity, and even if not I can see the approval of SWLRT and the nearby station as a major incentive to allow any changes/overrides to the existing small area plan.

My bigger concern is the developer. It seems well outside their typical MO.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 10:28 PM   #15
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I usually agree but in this case I just don’t think the n’hood has much to complain about. No views would be blocked by anybody other than the original Calhoun Tower. Any shadowing wouldn’t reach the SFHs in the area, and certainly wouldn’t impact the lake or park, since it’s mostly south of the site. Traffic in the area wouldn’t change much as it’s already a major thoroughfare that handles WAY more commuters than just the immediate area generates alone. Somebody can tell me if this is wrong but I suspect the site is already either zoned for development at or near this intensity, and even if not I can see the approval of SWLRT and the nearby station as a major incentive to allow any changes/overrides to the existing small area plan.

My bigger concern is the developer. It seems well outside their typical MO.
People are already against it because of the "environmental impact" on the lake. Ugh.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 02:10 AM   #16
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They probably figure 22 won't go so we'll settle for 2 15 story or something close to that....I just don't see a shadowing issue. This project is what 1000-1500' from the lake....Am I wrong on this?
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The NIMBYS choose to live in a city where the goal is to reach 500,000 and then keep going, where do they expect to put all these new people when all there is to do is go vertical?
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Old January 10th, 2018, 01:25 AM   #18
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That's correct
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Old April 6th, 2018, 12:32 AM   #19
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Two 22-story buildings and the future phases.

http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/www/...msp-209882.pdf
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Old April 6th, 2018, 05:02 PM   #20
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Thanks Bapster! Doesn't look like much has changed in the design, but some much better views of the project. That's a lot of people crammed into a small area! Whole foods is going to need to expand just to keep up!
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