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Old August 12th, 2016, 09:06 AM   #1
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Best and worst large west coast cities' downtowns?

What are the best and worst large cities downtowns? Why are they the best or worst?
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Old August 13th, 2016, 07:17 PM   #2
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best: Seattle, SF, Portland, San Diego, L.A

worst: San Jose, Fresno, Sacramento, Phoenix, Las Vegas

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Old August 14th, 2016, 07:22 AM   #3
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This is a "vs" thread and those aren't allowed.

However if the thread stays would help if you define things a little. What's the criteria? Are we talking the big cities or also the secondary ones like Bellevue, Oakland, San Jose, Century City, etc., because I wouldn't hold them to the same standards as a primary downtown.

Good ones include and Portland, San Francisco, Seattle. LA might add itself to that list if the boom keeps going.
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Old August 15th, 2016, 02:14 AM   #4
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This is a "vs" thread and those aren't allowed.

However if the thread stays would help if you define things a little. What's the criteria? Are we talking the big cities or also the secondary ones like Bellevue, Oakland, San Jose, Century City, etc., because I wouldn't hold them to the same standards as a primary downtown.

Good ones include and Portland, San Francisco, Seattle. LA might add itself to that list if the boom keeps going.
We're talking about big cities:L.A, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, SF, Phoenix, LA, Sac, Oakland, Fresno and Denver

Which ones have the best and worst downtowns? Criteria: walkability, ambiance, cleanliness, vitality, fun factor, human scale and furthest along in overall redevelopment of downtown

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Old August 15th, 2016, 08:51 PM   #5
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Oakland and San Jose (or Tacoma, Bellevue, Long Beach, etc.) don't serve as regional centers. Having a different purpose means they'd have to be judged by different standards.
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Old August 17th, 2016, 12:37 AM   #6
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Oakland and San Jose (or Tacoma, Bellevue, Long Beach, etc.) don't serve as regional centers. Having a different purpose means they'd have to be judged by different standards.
San Jose serves as regional center, Santa Clara Valley and the whole Bay Area. Long Beach and Bellevue don't, period!
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Old August 17th, 2016, 04:15 AM   #7
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Sort of. It's still secondary to San Francisco as the main local downtown. Sort of like Downtown Tacoma is secondary to Downtown Seattle.
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Sort of. It's still secondary to San Francisco as the main local downtown. Sort of like Downtown Tacoma is secondary to Downtown Seattle.
It's the other way around! San Jose is the larger of the 3 cities. San Jose is no second to fiddle.
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Old August 18th, 2016, 06:33 AM   #9
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Should we just call you "topper" and skip the BS? You're the internet's "guy who thinks San Jose overshadows San Francisco".
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Old August 19th, 2016, 05:47 AM   #10
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It's the other way around! San Jose is the larger of the 3 cities. San Jose is no second to fiddle.
Ha! Sometimes I forget how delusional the South Bay posters can be... San Jose's Downtown is like Bethesda, MD, totally second fiddle, heck maybe even third fiddle to Oakland.
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Old September 2nd, 2016, 02:12 AM   #11
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Best and worst large west coast cities' downtowns?

I'd say Downtown Salt Lake is very nice. The city is easily traversed, with most places of interest located extremely close together, no more than a few blocks away. Light rail will get you anywhere else, such as the University of Utah. The downtown is extremely clean and well maintained. Many attractions are located extremely close together, such as Temple Square and the City Creek Center, located less than a block away from eachother. The Salt Palace Convention Center, host of many world caliber expositions, such as the Salt Lake Comic Con (125,000 attendees) and the International Sportsman's expo (20,000 attendees), is within blocks of the main downtown attractions. Restaurants are everywhere, with many bars and pubs dotting the streets. Massive redevelopment is coming too, with streets being redesigned for easier access and to accommodate more restaurants. Overall I think Salt Lake has a great downtown, and is definitely a place you should visit.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 12:59 AM   #12
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Portland's downtown is renown in the urban planning world. So much so that Portland has daily visitors from around America (and the world) to analyze the core urban design. Downtown Portland has a lot of European qualities, including incredibly short (and walkable) blocks.

Good read on why Portland stands out in the West from an outsider's perspective:

http://sandiego.urbdezine.com/2013/0...s-perspective/
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Meh. I guess Portland does it for some people.
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Old December 28th, 2016, 12:17 AM   #14
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Yeah, me. Portland has a wonderful downtown!
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Tops West Coast:

Seattle
Vancouver

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SF/LA
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Bellevue/Portland
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the rest
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Old April 6th, 2018, 04:37 AM   #16
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Ha! Sometimes I forget how delusional the South Bay posters can be... San Jose's Downtown is like Bethesda, MD, totally second fiddle, heck maybe even third fiddle to Oakland.
You're delusional!
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Old June 10th, 2018, 04:45 AM   #17
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Seattle, Bellevue and Vancouver have more HK people so those cities all build up and not out.

Bellevue is better for business friendly political climate and that should help Bellevue more than Seattle over the next 50 years.

Seattle passed a $275 headtax on all jobs and now a lot of builders are permits waiting in Bellevue, Renton and Tacoma.

Seattle peeked out.

Whatever happened in cali? Bay area looked all small bldg's for 50 years but that salesforce tower is done?

Thats a start?

LA and SD were like shopping malls. San jose too.
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Old June 10th, 2018, 06:41 AM   #18
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Seattle will grow more than Bellevue. But it might do more residential than office going forward. Actually, continue to do so, with a larger ratio of housing in the future.

In the current boom, my gerrymandered 2,500-acre(?) version of greater Downtown Seattle has started about 29,500 residential units and 15,000,000 sf of offices. The residential side might be, guessing, 25,000,000 sf counting with an office RSF equivalent.
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