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Old July 19th, 2019, 06:18 PM   #1081
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I don't particularly understand the obsession about having locals design things. I hear it a lot during public consultations... "you don't live round here so you don't know XYZ" but that's the whole point of us being there to talk to locals.

I think the general public think, having a local person will do a better job, although it on rare occasions true, it's not always the case.
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Old July 19th, 2019, 06:19 PM   #1082
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Forum feeling a little hostile yet again. Good job guys and girls.👍
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Old July 19th, 2019, 06:23 PM   #1083
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I don't particularly understand the obsession about having locals design things. I hear it a lot during public consultations... "you don't live round here so you don't know XYZ" but that's the whole point of us being there to talk to locals.

I think the general public think, having a local person will do a better job, although it on rare occasions true, it's not always the case.
I do agree. But I feel the point made was more down the line of provide work and big contracts to locals to help local companies and local people, as well as an advert for that local company for decades. Not that they know the job better because they live there.
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Old July 19th, 2019, 07:13 PM   #1084
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I do agree. But I feel the point made was more down the line of provide work and big contracts to locals to help local companies and local people, as well as an advert for that local company for decades. Not that they know the job better because they live there.
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It’s a double edged sword really but essentially it needs to be awarded on merit. Otherwise you could end up with a dull, bland or hideous design that needs to be knocked down in 20-30 years justified by people because it was by ‘someone local’ or alternatively a design by someone who can see different opportunities from a different perspective and design something amazing that people will travel to Birmingham specifically to see.

Is a Chelsea Market type development with open air roof top space really that challenging or too much to ask?
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Old July 19th, 2019, 07:36 PM   #1085
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In a way I'm glad Glenn Howells isn't involved, sometimes they can feel a bit samey and corporate. I'd like this area to have enough brick and feel permanent. I think they should work with the Bull Ring owners to sort out the back of Debenhams and Sports direct, that street has cast a shadow of shit over the markets since it was built.
Agreed. I want a big name that means specialist media *have to* sit up and take notice, a Fosters + Partners, a Zaha Hadid, a massive, internationally renowned firm that would ordinarily work in New York or China or London, someone that will take a 'regional' masterplan and given in global prominence. As much as I think GHA are an excellent practice, they get enough work in the city. Lets's get the Frank Gehry or Frank Lloyd Wright of 2019 to do this, a bit of ambition.

C'mon, as a city we've KNOCKED DOWN stuff that other cities could only dream of having.
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Old July 19th, 2019, 07:41 PM   #1086
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How about an indoor market with a grand frontage, onto a street or square pretty much where our historic pre war market was?
How expensive would a brick exterior with glass and iron fairly detailed roof be, with supports? People love those sort of places, doesn't have to be mock victoriana, just classy and a nice place to shop and wander around?
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Old July 19th, 2019, 07:56 PM   #1087
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We've engaged with Waugh Thistleton and they've ofc been shortlisted to design a mixed-use market building. Impressive list, didn't know a few of them before, truth be told, but having looked at each of 'em, I can only
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Old July 19th, 2019, 08:22 PM   #1088
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Dribble in a good way??
So much potential in this area with what borders it, yet with no current buildings here there's not much to work with without it turning into a central retail park very hard to make a great 'place' without a few random.older buildings.
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Old July 19th, 2019, 09:53 PM   #1089
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Very league of gentleman

It’s a double edged sword really but essentially it needs to be awarded on merit. Otherwise you could end up with a dull, bland or hideous design that needs to be knocked down in 20-30 years justified by people because it was by ‘someone local’ or alternatively a design by someone who can see different opportunities from a different perspective and design something amazing that people will travel to Birmingham specifically to see.

Is a Chelsea Market type development with open air roof top space really that challenging or too much to ask?
That's what I agree with. I want the best for the city and if that is a large multi national, that's great. Especially with it being such a potentially prime location. Would be devastating to waste such a large available space, something of this scale might be difficult to come by again in birmingham in the city centre. Go all out Birmingham.
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Old July 30th, 2019, 11:31 AM   #1091
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Well this is annoying and will no doubt suck all the attention away from our own Smithfield Markets regeneration. Typical - https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/...ZIXC8ifQ%3D%3D
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Old July 30th, 2019, 12:06 PM   #1092
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Do you think they'll have any takers?

What with the scandalous lack of investment plaguing any proposals down The Smoke?

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