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Old October 29th, 2014, 12:22 PM   #41
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The Berkeley Group have uploaded promotional videos for the 'Waterfront' phase of Royal Arsenal Riverside:


Waterfront, Royal Arsenal Riverside
an introduction





Waterfront - Architecture
featuring AHMM





Waterfront - Local Amenities
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Waterfront - Interior Design
featuring CID Interieur

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Old November 1st, 2014, 12:28 AM   #42
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Royal Arsenal Riverside - Woolwich, London by SE9 London, on Flickr


Royal Arsenal Riverside - Woolwich, London by SE9 London, on Flickr


Royal Arsenal Riverside - Woolwich, London by SE9 London, on Flickr


Royal Arsenal Riverside - Woolwich, London by SE9 London, on Flickr
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 10:45 PM   #43
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I don't understand. Why do the buildings above look nothing like - or indeed as good as - the renders? Surely they aren't the waterfront ones?
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That's phase 4. Phase 6 are the river front apartments.

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Phase 4
Plumstead Road, Woolwich, SE18


Application

Planning Application: 11/2382/O [Greenwich]

Date of submission: 10 October 2011

Date of decision: 20 December 2011

Status: Under Construction




Phase details

Residential units: 592

Non residential floorspace: 4,688 m²

Crossrail Station






I think the last of SE9's pictures is phase 5.

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Phase 5
No. 1 Street, Warren Lane Gate, Woolwich, SE18


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Planning Application: 12/1168/F [Greenwich]

Date of submission: 3 May 2012

Date of decision: 5 February 2013

Status: Under Construction




Phase details

Residential units: 92



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Old November 7th, 2014, 09:01 PM   #45
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I see, thanks for the clarification.
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Old December 7th, 2014, 05:58 PM   #46
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Shame that so little has happened to the on site hotel. The legal wrangling between Berkeley and Melior is continuing over it.
Here's the last official update from the firm: http://meliordevmgt.co.uk/woolwich-royal-arsenal/
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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:35 AM   #47
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Shame that so little has happened to the on site hotel. The legal wrangling between Berkeley and Melior is continuing over it.
Here's the last official update from the firm: http://meliordevmgt.co.uk/woolwich-royal-arsenal/
Thanks, I've been wondering why there's been no progress for quite a while.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 01:56 AM   #48
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From the Murky Depths, who posts here occasionally, had an interesting article on plans from the developer to knock down a listed building in part to provide a place for drivers to drop off people by the station: https://fromthemurkydepths.wordpress...-this-weekend/
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Old December 8th, 2014, 05:07 PM   #49
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Old December 8th, 2014, 06:15 PM   #50
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all the black cabs are from the 70s, weird.
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passing through - my first time in woolwich - didn't stop and look around sadly, as it was getting dark already

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That paving and road was put in at a cost of millions recently as part of a larger scheme. The road is already covered in spots of tarmac and the paving seemingly never been cleaned. Greenwich council are so bad at this. A quick clean once a month with a jet wash on the paving & road would improve things immensely.

The council work to get improvements to improve the appearance of the area, is then lucky enough to get investment from various groups (mayors office, developers etc) and then the council don't do the basics.
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Paving repairs: Main issue are the statutory services (water, gas, electrics, telecommunication cable companies) who are permitted by law to do the crappiest repairs when they do subsurface infrastructure work to roads rather than to reinstate the surfaces which exist - they have no incentive to do any decent work and the municipalities are left to fix the end results. This is a problem in much of the world. Stat services should be legally required to reinstate existing finishes of road and pavement surfaces.
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Paving repairs: Main issue are the statutory services (water, gas, electrics, telecommunication cable companies) who are permitted by law to do the crappiest repairs when they do subsurface infrastructure work to roads rather than to reinstate the surfaces which exist - they have no incentive to do any decent work and the municipalities are left to fix the end results. This is a problem in much of the world. Stat services should be legally required to reinstate existing finishes of road and pavement surfaces.
Aye I know that utility companies are not too bothered with quality of work, however councils do have the power and ability to order like for like replacement. Plus, there's no excuse for the pavements except Greenwich council's lack of effort and care for public realm. Given that lack of effort with paving, I doubt they bother to pressure utilities and contractors regarding the road, who know it and don't do what they should.
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If the council want to bridge the divide between 'new' Woolwich at the arsenal and 'old' Woolwich, shown above, they must keep it to a decent standard and less grotty. At the moment its like chalk and cheese on the whole.

That parade of buildings to the right is part of the Spray Street masterplan site. This is a large project which will completely rework this part of Woolwich. I wrote a pretty lengthy post on it here https://fromthemurkydepths.wordpress...nd-demolished/
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Aye I know that utility companies are not too bothered with quality of work, however councils do have the power and ability to order like for like replacement. Plus, there's no excuse for the pavements except Greenwich council's lack of effort and care for public realm. Given that lack of effort with paving, I doubt they bother to pressure utilities and contractors regarding the road, who know it and don't do what they should.
With all due respect, to my knowledge Councils DO NOT have the power to to make utility companies undertake "like for like" repairs. That is exactly the problem, and why often Councils give up trying hard to maintain improvements to the public realm.

I grew up in Brighton and Hove. Many years ago now, Hove Council made a huge effort to repave one of its major thoroughfares, New Church Road, a long wide boulevard type road, and to coordinate all the utility companies to undertake any works prior to repaving. Then the council did a very fine repaving job and used a red finish asphalt. The following year of course one of the utility companies decided to replace a pipe running the full length of the street and did the nastiest reasphalting repair job. I remember the Council saying how much work they put into doing this road job with lots of consultation and additional budget, and finding it all ruined by just one utility company, and they said they would not do this again. I don't think anything has changed since.
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I'll do some looking into it. I do recall reading there is an obligation but do not have a source to hand.

Another way to deal with it is though is the relatively recent introduction of permits. I don't know about outside of London, but in London, boroughs can force utility companies to seek a permit before work, instead of just notifying the council. These permits can have a charge levied, and possibly used to repair/replace after work is done.

Greenwich were not in the initial tranche of councils to apply in 2010. Only around half of London councils did. What the other half were playing at I don't know. I believe they have since joined but possibly this work was done before that happened.

As for the case of Brighton - along with this stretch, I think this may be a good case for not having light coloured surfaces and uncommon materials used in busy areas. Sooner or later they will be dug up and even with any schemes to mitigate it may prove expensive to replace. Plus, this road is heavily used by buses and light surfaces become stained and slabs crack under the weight. Better to just have tarmac and keep the pavements to a high standard?
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I'm pretty sure utilities need to make good on road surfaces within 6 months of the original work. However if a council has totally repaved or tarmacked a road and even if a utility eventually does it to the same standard there is still going to be a whacking great scar running along the road.

It all stems from original privatisation of utilities where they were not forced to put more effect into repairing the pubic realm and a sham this hasn't been retified since or a greater emphasis or putting utilities all along one service pipe , especially for newer developments so the same street isn't ripped up dozens of times.
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It all stems from original privatisation of utilities where they were not forced to put more effect into repairing the pubic realm
Maybe.

But as Fromthemurkydepths so comprehensively chronicles on his blog, Greenwich Council do a poor job of maintaining the property they have control over, including the grounds surrounding their housing estates.

Their track records gives no reason for confidence that the public sector would serve us any better than the privatised utilities in this respect.
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With the wall now down around the entrance to the site it shouldn't be too long before shops start opening up facing onto the road
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