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Old April 8th, 2016, 03:55 PM   #41
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Empty pointless politics.


Yes we support building 100,00 new homes as there is a housing crisis don’t you know, just not where the local community doesn’t want them ( which is anywhere but their local community, although we’ll take the transport improvements please).
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Old April 8th, 2016, 06:20 PM   #42
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But don't mistake a couple of noisy antis for the majority of the local population, of whom in this case I happen to be one. I'm not typical either (actively lobbying in favour of the development...), but my impression is that the vast majority are entirely calm about the prospect - indifferent, mildly in favour, or mildly concerned about impact on transport, schools etc.
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Old April 8th, 2016, 10:54 PM   #43
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Nobody disputes that we need many more homes in London, but we also need to site them sympathetically
Haha, what a wonderfully ridiculous euphemism for not in my back yard.
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Old May 29th, 2016, 10:06 PM   #44
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A short interview with Roger Madelin on iliveinse16.com:

http://iliveinse16.com/roger-madelin-head-canada-water/
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Old January 9th, 2017, 07:39 PM   #45
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Draft Masterplan
2016

Official website: http://canadawatermasterplan.com/

Area action plan: http://www.southwark.gov.uk/download...r_aap_adoption



Development Overview

Sites: SE16 Printworks | Surrey Quays Shopping Centre | Roberts Close

Masterplan Architect: Allies and Morrison

Developer: British Land

Residential units: 3,500



Floorspace

Hotel space: 25,000m

Residential space: 320,000m

Leisure, culture & community space: 40,000m

Shopping, services, food & drink space: 60,000m

Workspace/office & higher education space: 200,000m



Indicative Plans










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Old January 9th, 2017, 10:33 PM   #46
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Blimey, looks like there are around 7 100m+ towers in that draft. One possibly 200m.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 11:32 PM   #47
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Blimey, looks like there are around 7 100m+ towers in that draft. One possibly 200m.
And I was thinking the plan looks rather timid.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 12:32 PM   #48
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It is painful that all those docks and waterways were filled in not long ago in the 70s and replaced with low density provincial housing stock. Shame that more historical docks and waterways have not been reinstated. It could have been an Amsterdam or Venetian feel around here.

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Old May 8th, 2017, 06:18 PM   #49
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http://www.canadawatermasterplan.com/get-involved/

Main Exhibitions

Friday 5 May ———————– 11am – 5pm
Saturday 6 May ——————— 10am – 4pm
Monday 8 May ———————– 4pm – 8pm
Tuesday 9 May ———————- 4pm – 8pm
Saturday 13 May ——————– 10am – 4pm
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Looks good, but I must say that I'm surprised that not even one new school was considered necessary! This must then be the only part of London with a surplus of existing school places, and indeed, capacity to take hundreds more children over time.
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Old May 13th, 2017, 10:14 PM   #51
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Went along to the exhibition today. Looks really good to me - consultation materials are here (pdf)

I don't have strong view about the three options for siting the leisure centre. Bit skeptical about plan to keep the old print hall in the printworks, while demolishing most of it - but very pleasant British Land woman persuaded me it might be worth it.

Gave my usual feedback along the lines of 'I've been waiting for this for over a decade now, please stop consulting and get on with it so I get to see it before I die of old age'.
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Potential heights of the towers. 4 towers up to 50 storeys! Nice.

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Old May 14th, 2017, 02:02 PM   #53
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I was told 40 or maybe less so who knows. 1st detailed application at end of year for the tower closest to tube station (potentially Allies & Morrison) and the Tesco site detailed app at same time.
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They seem to have lost the cultural hub and there's no cinema replacement. Or am I missing them?
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They seem to have lost the cultural hub and there's no cinema replacement. Or am I missing them?
"cultural" hub is indeed gone, but they do promise to keep entertainment piece including cinema, and maybe even the bowling alley in the building on the triangular plot in between 3 tall towers


All in all I actually quite liked the changes introduced to the master plan. Taller buildings now form distinct cluster in the center of the site just next to existing Sellar scheme with some lower towers on the edges and mid-rises on the side of the Russia Dock woodland providing backdrop. I just which they would start building already! As ever a lot of visitors raise concerns about transport especially Canada Water interchange, but I think as long as Bakerloo extension and Rotherhithe bridge are approved and built on time there wouldn't be much change compared to today's level. I think lots of people genuinely miss the point that most of the morning congestion is not caused by residents commuting out of Rotherhithe but by people commuting from elsewhere using Overground and buses and so housing development at Canada Water would not make things significantly worse provided that Elizabeth and Bakerloo would pick up some of the commuters from Overground line.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 01:07 PM   #56
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the proposed bridge over Canada Water Dock could be spectacular and a great visual gateway to the town centre for visitors arriving from the tube.

however i am disappointed that there is no mention of an "albion channel" style waterway to link Canada Water Dock and Greenland Dock. Surely this would address the areas history better?

most people i show around the area love the Albion Channel:


imagine this, but going through the entertainment and shopping districts with cafe's/bars alongside it ...

i'd be interested to hear what other local residents think... Officer? Cuidad etc.. ?
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Old May 18th, 2017, 06:27 PM   #57
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not local but i totally agree, the channel is great and copying/extending it would be lovely.

the bridge across the water seems a bit silly to me, clutters the 'open space' factor of the lake, barely creates a shortcut, and diverts people away from the waterside cafes/shops
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Agree with both of those points; a channel through the development would be wonderful and create a fantastic unique selling point for the bars/restaurants etc and surely increase their value more than it would cost, while a bridge across the dock would reduce the footfall at the new waterfront units. All in all though pretty exciting!
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Old May 19th, 2017, 12:26 AM   #59
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Totally agree. Can't see it happening though, unfortunately many people will just take the piss, it's bad enough keeping up the maintenance of Albion Channel now which is a low footfall area.

It's also a pity Southwark have decided to rip out the paving along Albion Channel and replace with gravel.
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@Wawd, yes I agree it would have been good to reinstate some water somewhere in the plan.

@Steve I see your point about the shortcut, but I think on balance it will be useful - either you're trying to get somewhere quickly and will use it, or you're up for stopping at a caf and you won't.

But mostly I agree with @SELondoner - it may not be perfect, but it's a huge and exciting development that deserves support.

@Ciudad - I'm not sure the gravel is intended to be permanent, but I actually prefer it - it feels French to me. Never went in for Rotherhithe's endless criss-cross purple-brick paving.
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