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Old March 11th, 2015, 02:12 PM   #21
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It won't look anything like that unfortunately.
Why put so much effort into the cgi then?
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Old March 11th, 2015, 02:13 PM   #22
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Is it relocation of the rag market, or just rebuilding on the current site? I can't quite get my bearings.
Good point, i think it may just be a rebuild. The plans on the Post website show a large square outside St Martins so it might move position slightly along with the indoor market which would be included in assume.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 02:32 PM   #23
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Brown residential dwellings aside (I think they are based on Dutch housing designs) this looks good.

True this is a vision but the vision should aim to be realistic and ambitious...a very difficult balance. If the landmark twisty and the buildings (which remind me of the Abu Dhabi GP F1 circuit) then I'd be quite happy.

Happy for the new metro line though.
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Hmmm, surprised by the apparently small scale of the residential - 4 storeys?

Not keen on this new architectural fashion - build a cheap glass box and then wrap it in something curvy to try and make it 'iconic'.

Will be good to see both the Rag and Indoor markets rebuilt (I hope) as currently they're just AWFUL.

Would like to see the development reflect the history of the area (is there anywhere more historically significant in Birmingham?) - Hopefully a History of Birmingham museum to include the foundations of the old Manor House.

I'll await the full documentation before criticising further, lol.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 03:58 PM   #25
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Docs are online. It's not a masterplan by the way, It's a visioning document.
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It's just a vision at the moment, which explains the lack of detail/maps - a proper masterplan will be produced after public consultation. These images are designed to stimulate conversation and debate.

I like the idea in general - Birmingham definitely needs more cultural attractions and museums: as I've said before, I think the offering in Liverpool and Manchester is much better in this regard. Birmingham already has loads of applications for offices and residential towers - we need something different here, and the focus on markets and culture is spot on. This is surely a viable spot for the Bullring's leisure expansion and Ikon's mooted new gallery.

But in terms of architecture, surely we can aspire to better things than yet more blobitecture! I love Selfridges and the Library, but if we have too many "iconic" buildings then they will all be shouting at each other and vying for attention, which doesn't make for an attractive city. Let's have something with a bit of substance that responds to St Martin's and will stand the test of time.

Also, what happened to that indicative render we saw a while ago? No sign of it here.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 04:47 PM   #27
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Are they not old?? It's got a tower at New Street.

Gensler are the new masterplanners aren't they?
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Hmmm, surprised by the apparently small scale of the residential - 4 storeys?

Not keen on this new architectural fashion - build a cheap glass box and then wrap it in something curvy to try and make it 'iconic'.

Will be good to see both the Rag and Indoor markets rebuilt (I hope) as currently they're just AWFUL.

Would like to see the development reflect the history of the area (is there anywhere more historically significant in Birmingham?) - Hopefully a History of Birmingham museum to include the foundations of the old Manor House.

I'll await the full documentation before criticising further, lol.
Agree 100 % regarding a sense of history and soul ( no Dandara stuff please) coming through in the form and function of the buildings and spaces in this development, otherwise it will be quite bland and simply turn into a nice public realm space but not noteworthy. This area has history to anchor it so hopefully we get a nod in that direction. Appartments and cafes alone are nice but not on their own particulary interesting. All in all though this is very welcome indeed though.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 04:50 PM   #29
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Are they not old?? It's got a tower at New Street.

Gensler are the new masterplanners aren't they?
Yes and yes.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 04:56 PM   #30
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Must admit I am not a fan of the clashing mix of styles, claddings and shapes etc, but as history tells us, I expect there will be a number of changes before anything gets built.

Interesting the plan indicates a reconfiguration of some of the units at the Bullring at the bottom end near the rear entrance to debenhams.

Think this would be a big improvement and help to extend the restaurant hub around Browns, Wagamamas etc.
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Trying to emulate the shape and form of the Selfridges building in these plans look ridiculous. The tower looks interesting though, that would be a nice touch.
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And the Beorma Tower has gone ????????
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It's a masterplan from 2009.
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And the Beorma Tower has gone ????????
.... and New Street Station is pre-redevelopment, so I wouldn't worry about that!
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There seem to be new shops in Bull Ring on the plan, where Jamie's Italian is, a whole row of them.
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There seem to be new shops in Bull Ring on the plan, where Jamie's Italian is, a whole row of them.
This just looks like a giant expansion on Bullring to be honest
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A bit of trickery here:

A planned Midland Metro tram line, to serve the new HS2 rail terminus and the east of the city, will run along the edge of Birmingham Smithfield development

No NEW metro line, simply Line 2 running down Digbeth High Street
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Not impressed from the images and why do they need to include hundreds of people? Not convinced 4 storey houses are appropriate so close to the retail core and appear out of scale with existing and proposed development. I also preferred the older plans for a large civic square as an entrance from digbeth high street (moat lane?). This is a very important regeneration site for our city and the council needs to think it through properly rather than rushing through poor proposals for a MIPIM PR headline. They've been planning to regenerate this site for years so worrying that this is as far as they've got.

Finally, is the name Smithfield linked to this area historically or is it simply a reference to the London markets? If it's the latter I'm losing faith
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This is just a visioning document KHvillan. The thought will be applied at the next stage.
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Just noticed that on the wall of debenhams it now curves out towards new street station. Would this require smallbrook q'way to be pedestrianised?
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