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Old May 28th, 2016, 10:19 PM   #101
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The reason it was held back is surely just a case of NIMBYism which is fortunate enough to be backed by a well connected, constituent-focussed MP, rather than some deep rooted hatred of Birmingham by central government.

As for the effect it will have, assuming that the blockage causes an amendment which mitigates green belt development, then surely logic follows that there will be an increase in brown field development which can only be a good thing for city centre growth and plans such as the Icknield Port Loop - the opposite of the effect you suggest.


I hope that you`re right Pave but I fear that it would just involve Birmingham City Council asking other authorities to build a further 6000 homes.

I must admit I admire the spirit of the Walmley NIMBYs because they sure don`t give up easily but I also wonder how many of them cared when the houses they live in now were being built on the then green belt.

Interesting to see how it all works out over the coming months.
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Old May 28th, 2016, 11:15 PM   #102
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I heard about this in the week.

Truth is we don't know what will happen. One thing is for certain, it will delay adoption of Plan. But the Secretary of State (SoS) has not indicated a timescale for any future decision.

If the plan is so flawed, they will have to start again. This could lead to a lots of things. However, the plan has been found sound by an inspector so it is unlikely the Government will find against this. However, Sutton is an important place for the Government so this is another dimension.

If the SoS agreed with Andrew Mitchell, i think the plan would need to start again (worsening the housing need and potentially backfiring on Sutton). There isn't (even with increasing densities) the land in Birmingham to accommodate housing growth of 89k dwellings unless start wholesale demolition of existing housing estates, build on flood plains or substantially increase density to about 70dph or higher. They they could push more dwellings on to neighbouring authorities but this is likely to set their development plans back or cause a review of already adopted plans.

SoS would need to find that the Councils Green Belt review was flawed somehow i would guess or the allocation of that land was not the best option for that number of dwellings.

I'd argue that the numbers going to Sutton are in fact too small and they should be looking more towards the 20k mark for new dwellings. 6k is pitiful and a waste of land. I hope this bit of NIMBY'ing around ends up with more dwellings in Sutton.
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Old May 28th, 2016, 11:18 PM   #103
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djay, do you think the NIMBYs stand a chance of winning? I thought they had no chance but I`m beginning to wonder.
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Old May 29th, 2016, 11:31 AM   #104
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Depends. It is far too complex and no one knows what Andrews actual issue is with the plans.
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Old May 30th, 2016, 10:09 PM   #105
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... I know there has been a lot of rumours doing the rounds in this place of late, especially in the beorma qtr thread, but I certainly have no interest in going further off topic...

anyway, to wet your apatite, you guys may wish to keep a look out for a tower in Brum city centre which I have it on very good authority is being submitted for planning tomorrow in detail. Obviously it will take a while for bcc to validate and public it but its something to look out for...

its not over 30 storeys nor over 100m but its a pretty decent size and in a pretty prominent location... and to my knowledge (thought I don't read every post here) no one appears to have picked it up on these pages, even though there was a public consultation event! seems to have slipped through the system!

keep your eye pealed!
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Old May 30th, 2016, 10:26 PM   #106
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I hope it's not prs apartments or student accommodation.
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Old May 30th, 2016, 10:33 PM   #107
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Smithfield?
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Old May 30th, 2016, 10:44 PM   #108
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Great Charles Street Bomb site?
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Old May 30th, 2016, 11:15 PM   #109
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Who says the Tuesday after Bank Holidays are horrible? Rubbing my hands about this cheers Woody!
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Old May 31st, 2016, 01:25 AM   #110
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I hope that you`re right Pave but I fear that it would just involve Birmingham City Council asking other authorities to build a further 6000 homes.

I must admit I admire the spirit of the Walmley NIMBYs because they sure don`t give up easily but I also wonder how many of them cared when the houses they live in now were being built on the then green belt.

Interesting to see how it all works out over the coming months.
Green belt should mean green belt there are a ton of brownfield sites in Birmingham.Regeneration of the inner cities they havnt got a effing clue.
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Old May 31st, 2016, 02:40 AM   #111
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Green belt should mean green belt there are a ton of brownfield sites in Birmingham.Regeneration of the inner cities they havnt got a effing clue.
We'll run out of brownfield sites eventually. It's not like there isn't miles of more green belt land a few miles further down the road if we fill the Meriden gap. I don't understand why people get so worked up about losing a few fields. There is more than enough of them in this country.
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Old May 31st, 2016, 08:47 AM   #112
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Great Charles Street Bomb site?
I felt that there had been a reasonable amount of chat about this site but perhaps not?

An article on the post online talks about 320 apartments being planned for Great Charles Street:
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/busi...oject-11396779

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Old May 31st, 2016, 11:26 AM   #113
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Its probably SBQ.
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Old May 31st, 2016, 01:11 PM   #114
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Old May 31st, 2016, 01:18 PM   #115
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Smallbrook Queensway?

Talking of public consultations ... Anybody go to the Roundhouse one??
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Old May 31st, 2016, 02:09 PM   #116
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alas..... as I said, the scheme I'm talking about doesn't appear to have been picked up by anyone on this forum that I would have seen, there certainly isn't a thread for it ..yet!
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Old May 31st, 2016, 02:32 PM   #117
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WOODY STOP IT, I want to know now.

It has to be St Georges site, or maybe Broad Street Tower?
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Old May 31st, 2016, 02:37 PM   #118
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Shouldn't the news have been released by now?

Also Woody, what are you up to these days? I notice you don't post as much as you used to but obviously are still in the know! Just curious...
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Old May 31st, 2016, 02:58 PM   #119
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WOODY STOP IT, I want to know now.

It has to be St Georges site, or maybe Broad Street Tower?
Woody said Gateway site... I don't think these are Gateway?
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Wait and see I guess.
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