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Old January 4th, 2006, 03:08 PM   #41
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110m? You sure
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Old January 4th, 2006, 03:24 PM   #42
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Looks like 110m,11m,45m,24m,20m,25m and 48m. Pretty dense stuff.
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Old January 4th, 2006, 03:27 PM   #43
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Oh thats great news, we needed something just over 100m - and this located right next to Masshouse and City Park Gate (90-100m) this, area should look pretty spectacular.

Very happy about that
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I thought you might like that BC

A word of warning - this is only an indicative plan and the developer has gone for outline planning permission. As far as I know the hotel operator has not yet been signed-up so I suspect the tower will be a "max height" rather than definite.

That said, from what I know the building arrangement will not change too much and there are plans for 2 towers (one taller, one mid) so it's all good!

It is interesting that they are closing off the bottom end of the High St and reconfiguring it. It should make for a more interesting pedestrian experience.
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Old January 4th, 2006, 03:45 PM   #45
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He He, any tower news is good news for me, Im already crossed of one of my predictions for 2006. only need another 3 towers proposed over 100m now

Got me render blood going to.

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Old January 4th, 2006, 04:12 PM   #46
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Looks like 110m,11m,45m,24m,20m,25m and 48m. Pretty dense stuff.
I'm a little confused by this. Are we sure these are the building hights.
Building number 2 is supposedly 11m high then?

But it looks the same hight on this sketch and 11m is awfully short for a building in this location..


[IMG]http://************/ilc9ko.jpg[/IMG]

i hate the way the existing priory square doesn't sit up opposit the lewis' builing (The Square Peg pub) to mirror it in a simialr hight.
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Old January 4th, 2006, 04:29 PM   #47
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Building number 2 is supposedly 11m high then?
That's how I read it, my eyesights hardly perfect though.
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Old January 4th, 2006, 04:41 PM   #48
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I'm a little confused by this. Are we sure these are the building hights.
Building number 2 is supposedly 11m high then?

But it looks the same hight on this sketch and 11m is awfully short for a building in this location..

i hate the way the existing priory square doesn't sit up opposit the lewis' builing (The Square Peg pub) to mirror it in a simialr hight.
Building 2 is just over 44m according to this - that would make it around 11 floors - a shade taller than Lewis's?
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Old January 4th, 2006, 04:42 PM   #49
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I'm not sure the significance of two numbers, but they are as follows:

1. 167.60m (44.90m)
2. 176.6m (44.54m)
3. 239.00m (110.0m)
4. 165.1m (45.80m)
5. 156.13m (28.50m)
6. 156.13m (29.50m)
7. 143.60m (24.00m)

Make of it what you will. The pdf is available from the BCC website.
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/PSR/con...er+Plan+A10.03

NB: I needed to change the extension to .pdf
Loads of other docs here too:
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/Generat...&MENU_ID=12189
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Thanks for that Doyle - that's where I got the image from. There's loads of stuff on the new portal (as pointed out by Spread) including environmental and traffic surveys.

The two figures represent height above sea level and (height relative to local datum).

As caw said - this is a pretty dense area! It should match the Rackhams and Lewis's buildings in terms of size and proportion - with one exception - a tower taller than the Rotunda
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Old January 4th, 2006, 04:46 PM   #51
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I'm not sure the significance of two numbers, but they are as follows:

1. 167.60m (44.90m)
2. 176.6m (44.54m)
3. 239.00m (110.0m)
4. 165.1m (45.80m)
5. 156.13m (28.50m)
6. 156.13m (29.50m)
7. 143.60m (24.00m)
The higher numbers are ASL/AOD heights. 239m is just below the CAA limit.
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Old January 4th, 2006, 04:52 PM   #52
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It just occurred to me the number of "grandes projets" we have coming on-line.

2 over £500m (QE Hospital & Martineau Galleries, and a possible 3rd with Arena Central)
3 over £300m (New St Stn, Selly Oak Battery Park, Snowhill, and a possible 4th with the library)
5 over £100m (Cube, Masshouse, City Park Gate, Tally Ho!, Longbridge)

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Old January 4th, 2006, 07:26 PM   #53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doyle
I'm not sure the significance of two numbers, but they are as follows:

1. 167.60m (44.90m)
2. 176.6m (44.54m)
3. 239.00m (110.0m)
4. 165.1m (45.80m)
5. 156.13m (28.50m)
6. 156.13m (29.50m)
7. 143.60m (24.00m)
Good i'm glad it says 44 not 11. Think they could've provided a better quality pic so we could've seen that.

110m is quite tall. Half way between Orion and HCT, and on higher ground than HCT so it will look really good on the skyline from the south/Digbeth... assuming it's a good building.
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Old January 4th, 2006, 09:23 PM   #54
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Nice illustration but i would have thought the buildings would have been bigger given that the development is to be around the 2.9 million sq ft mark, thats makes it bigger than Arena Central and look at what we could get there. The development is nearly as big as Paradise Circus and the illustrative masterplan for that showed a couple of 100m towers and one around 60m plus several other buildings.

I would have thought there would be more towers in this, hopefully that will be the case.
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Old January 6th, 2006, 03:45 PM   #55
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is there ANY chance demolition work will start this year??
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Old January 6th, 2006, 04:11 PM   #56
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Best way to check is to see how far ahead The Academy are taking bookings. When they stop then we'll start!

I guess early 2007 minimum - they have only just applied for outline PP - this is the crunch time. If it is granted then they can start designing the buildings
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Old January 6th, 2006, 06:42 PM   #57
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anyone know whats happening to the academy? birmingham has far too few gig venues for a city its size as it is and the academy is the only medium sized one.

i was thinking the town hall which used to have gigs in the 70s but i doubt it - i reckon it'll be used for more 'highbrow' things. an old warehouse in digbeth would be really good cos it's already seen as an alternative place what with the custard factory/med bar, barfly, sanctuary, irish centre and the rainbow.
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Old January 12th, 2006, 05:01 AM   #58
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I'm semi-impressed, semi-disappointed, and semi-unsurprised (and no, I'm not one and a half people).

I'm glad that finally the eastern side of Old Square would be getting some height back (and you *would* cry if you saw the wonderful Second Empire style Opera House that used to close in the eastern edge). But the shape is so dull - Priory Qway is left widening gradually into the square, with the new building neither defining the line of Corp St (as the original did), nor mirroring the curve of Lewis's.

The spacing of buildings 2, 3, and 4 is somewhat unoriginal. The passage between 2 and 3 follows the current version slavishly, neither providing a mirror to the Minories and heading into Old Square, nor aligning with the re-extended Dalton Street.

Building 6 would finally kill off what's left of Albert Street. I was hoping from earlier indications in this thread that McDonalds would go and the great Curzon Street - Duddeston Row - Albert Street axis re-opened through to High Street, firmly linking Eastside back into town. Because of the half-backsided half-redevelopment of Martineau Square, we had little hope of getting the Martineau Street end of the axis back (and I am unsurprised at the failure to list this block for dynamiting, but I am concerned it will make Corporation Street and areas west somewhat out-on-a-limb, and that they may consequently go to hell). But anyway, between what Moor Street's looking like and the positioning of Building 6, Albert Street will end up being a glorified service entrance.

I am also unimpressed by the totally randomly shaped space left at the High St / Dale End / Bull St / Albert St. With more care, this could have been a segment of a circle, with routes radiating off it, serving as something more of a place rather than another street-corner.

But that's enough whinging. I *love* the curve at the Corp St end of Building 1 - the way it's almost leaping across at Upper Bull Street almost makes up for the loss of Martineau St. The small squares in the middle also are just perfect.

It's now getting way too late, but I'll draw up a modified plan of "how I'd do it better" (which is only fair given my ability to be a carping critic) over the next few days, and someone mentioned earlier that they hadn't seen pictures of old Birmingham - I may have a day with my scanner tomorrow.
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Old January 12th, 2006, 07:25 AM   #59
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well i cant view that pdf. i get the error - "file does not begin with pdf". how many floors are there for each building?
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Old January 12th, 2006, 10:50 AM   #60
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ive been looking for ages and i cant find a number.

using our rules it could be anything between 26 storeys (office) and 36 storeys (residential)
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