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Old February 12th, 2006, 08:49 PM   #61
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Airports are not like taxi services or shops, they are vast, environmentally-damaging complexes that are important to local economies and affect people's lives in both positive and negative ways. It is not a "right" to have an airport, it is a privilege, and it is insane to have 2 airports so close.

How would you feel MartinN (I am not victimising you, just asking a question) if in 2 years time another operator opened an airport the other side of Coventry, say, 10 miles away?
There have been 2 airports close together for over 60 years now. Coventry Airport pre-dates Birmingham, and in the past has run passenger services to Europe (In the 1960s and 1980s) from its Baginton terminal (Which was demolished as part of a long standing planning agreement.)

That question is pointless - we're not talking about a "new" airport. We're talking about the utilisation of one that already exists.

The passenger flights to CVT actually make up a tiny part of the airport's overall traffic - it's a freight hub, a training centre and also used by business aircraft.

And no, I suspect if you too a poll of folk in Coventry and asked them if they were bothered about the "West Midlands" economy then they'd mainly say no. Not that the West Midlands exists anymore.

There is actually another airfield in Coventry. Up at Ansty, next door to Rolls Royce. It's being turned into a medical research centre.
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Old February 12th, 2006, 09:02 PM   #62
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I've done some voluntry work for Warwickshire Wildlife Trust. There main nature reserve and headquarters are based at Brandon Marsh, which is about a quarter of a mile from Cov airport but over the flightpath. The Marsh already suffers from having planes flying low, it can be a nuisance for birdspotters. More plane traffic could mean less birds and could have an overall effect on wildlife.

I think it is important to create a balance between nature and job creation. At the moment (!) I don't think it's necessary to expand Coventry airport because we are not exactly suffering from high unemployment (compared to most cities in Britain, Coventry fairs quite well).
Also, Birmingham airport is so easy to reach from Cov - it's a 10 minute journey down the A45. So I'm against expansion.


I ain't no tree-hugger though
Brandon Marsh is perpendicular to the runway - 737s don't fly over it, but a lot of light aircraft do. The 737's take off and follow the A45 or over Stoneleigh in the other direction.

Coventry most certainly does suffer from low unemployment. While the average figure may be low (About UK average), at least two parts of the city suffer from high figures (Foleshill being one, and Willenhall being another, which is close to the airport.) and social problems associated with high unemployment.

It's not expanding by the way - the airport had a passenger terminal that could handle the passenger figures it currently handles with TUI. This was demolished as part of an agreement to move operations away from the village. The "new" terminal is to replace that old one, and no expansion of runway is planned.
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Old February 12th, 2006, 09:04 PM   #63
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Planning expert says government will support airport’s expansion.

Leamington Courier February 10th

Government has given its support to a new terminal at Coventry Airport in Baginton according to John Littman an expert hired by its owners. A planning consultant Mr. Littman this week gave evidence at the inquiry at Leamington town hall into whether a new 10000 square metre building capable of handling two million passengers per year should be allowed at the Baginton site. He believes the development would comply with local and national planning policies and should therefore be given permission particularly because he considers the government’s 2003 aviation white paper provides tacit approval. The document states ‘ Coventry Airport currently serves a specialist role within the region catering for business aviation, air mail and some freight and can continue to perform this role within existing constraints.

There is a current planning application for a terminal development at the airport. However in light of our conclusions on capacity elsewhere in the Midlands and having regard to potential surface access, environmental and airspace constraints we would not envisage any significant further development being appropriate beyond the level of passenger throughput in the current application.’ And although many opponents of the airport’s growth have used these paragraphs to support their cause, Mr. Littman thinks it shows the government is happy for the scheme to go ahead. He told the inquiry ‘The clear interpretation is that the government would envisage development up to and indeed beyond the two million passengers per year level but not significantly beyond that limit. Mr. Littman added that if the various concerns the White Paper mentions are resolved’ the airport is entitled to rely on the statement that a development for up to two million passengers per year is considered appropriate by the government.’
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Old February 12th, 2006, 11:58 PM   #64
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MartinN

You put your points very well and I sense this is one we'll have to agree to disagree on. For me my major concern is that an expanded CVT will stop or delay the expansion at BHX. An expanding BHX is good for the West Mids economy, an expanded CVT (imo) will have a negligable impact upon the West Mids economy.

I hear that you feel different and that's fair enough but I hope you share mine and others view that an expanded BHX is vital to the West Mids economy, and I do include Coventry as part of the West Mids, granted a pretty grotty part but a part nonetheless.




Yes I know that last part was unnecessary but I couldn't resist!
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Old February 14th, 2006, 06:38 PM   #65
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hi there, i had a few spear mines, so i knocked this up.... should give u an idea of what bhx could look like in 2030

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Old February 14th, 2006, 08:35 PM   #66
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finally....great news

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New Airline to Launch From Birmingham


An brand new long haul airline, Flywho, will launch its first ever flight from Birmingham on Saturday 8th July 2006 to America’s sunniest state, Florida. In conjunction with newly formed specialist tour operator, GoVisitAmerica.com, the Birmingham based venture will offer non-stop flights to Orlando-Sanford each Tuesday and Saturday, and to St Petersburg-Tampa Bay each Thursday.

Flywho will operate a mixed Silver and Gold cabin with the world’s longest legroom. Passengers can book mixed routes for outbound and return, with prices starting one way from £449 (inc tax) in the Silver cabin, and £759 (inc tax) in the Gold cabin.


its being opperated by one of these...nice to see on the deck at bhx

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Old February 15th, 2006, 09:45 AM   #67
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hi there, i had a few spear mines, so i knocked this up.... should give u an idea of what bhx could look like in 2030
I always wondered where spears came from....

Thanks for that Woody - hope it goes ahead!
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Old February 15th, 2006, 11:37 AM   #68
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Old February 15th, 2006, 04:17 PM   #69
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The Skyservice flight to Krakow has already been upgraded from 737 - 500 to a 737 - 700 thus adding an extra 40ish seats in capacity, a good omen for this service.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 04:31 PM   #70
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£449 one way to FLorida seems alittle steep!

Nice choo choo though.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 06:22 PM   #71
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i thought that too, but in 2001 a flight to miama from BHX via Chicago cost me £1,260...and that was economy.........

from reading there website, even there economy has the largest seats of any airline and 38" of leg space, personal tv and playstation, dvd player etc...

we'll soon see if it takes off....sorry for the pun
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Old February 16th, 2006, 03:50 PM   #72
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It said in the mail last night it were from £495 RETURN, in which case that's not too shabby...
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Old February 16th, 2006, 10:41 PM   #73
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lol, a bad typo on bhx then....... an excellent price
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Old February 17th, 2006, 03:13 AM   #74
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mine and others view that an expanded BHX is vital to the West Mids economy, and I do include Coventry as part of the West Mids, granted a pretty grotty part but a part nonetheless.




Yes I know that last part was unnecessary but I couldn't resist!
Well, at least Coventry's a small grotty bit. Unlike that godawful HUGE grotty bit stretching from Solihull up to Wolverhampton.
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Well, at least Coventry's a small grotty bit. Unlike that godawful HUGE grotty bit stretching from Solihull up to Wolverhampton.
You mean it finishes at Wolverhampton ?
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could this be the evd of coventry airports passenger dreams????

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Deal for Thomsonfly to switch to Birmingham Airport raised at
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18.02.06

Bosses of Thomsonfly and Birmingham Airport almost struck an amazing
business deal - at the planning enquiry into Coventry Airport's
expansion! Thinly veiled negotiations took place as Thomsonfly
consultant and Coventry Airport executive chairman Bill Savage took
the stand for the first time yesterday at the planning inquiry into
the application for a new terminal at Coventry airport.

Mr Savage, who also works as a consultant for no-frills airline
Thomsonfly, was being cross examined by BIA representative, John
Steele QC, at Leamington Town Hall. He told the hearing Coventry
Airport charges Thomsonfly £5 per customer to use Baginton, compared
to charges of between £20 and £23 at Birmingham.

This cost per passenger was denied by Mr Steele, who said the low-
cost airline would only be charged between £5 and £6 per passenger
if the operations moved from Coventry to Birmingham.
With negotiations under way, the two parties then began discussing
whether the deal would be extended to present routes operating out
of Birmingham.


Mr Savage said: 'If that were the case I would be fairly sure TUI
would be pretty excited by that offer!' But as discussions began in
earnest before a deal could be struck, government inspector Neil
Roberts stopped them. He said: 'I am beginning to think this should
be taking place somewhere else. Probably behind closed doors.'

In between discussions, relations between the two parties had
remained frosty. Birmingham Airport bosses are concerned that
increased operations at Coventry could impact on availability of
airspace. Meanwhile, Coventry Airport bosses claimed they were
frozen out of negotiations over the availability of air space in the
region. The availability of airspace is likely to be a key factor in
the out-come of the inquiry, which is due to continue until late May
or June this year.
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Heh heh - why buy Cov Airport when you could just put it out of business.... maybe BIA aren't so stupid after all.
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if this article is true, then surely its very bad research on behalf od TUI!
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monarch to double flights this wint from BHX to its 6 routes to spain and portugal
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 06:02 PM   #80
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Oh-oh

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/4744614.stm

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Plane flies too low into airport

The aircraft was coming in to land at the airport
An investigation has begun after an aeroplane landing at Birmingham International Airport descended too low on its approach.
The passenger airliner is reported to have descended to 600ft (182m) - when it was six miles away from the airport.

National Air Traffic Services has confirmed the incident near Kenilworth, Warwickshire, happened on Thursday.
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