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Old March 15th, 2006, 11:33 AM   #121
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SkyBlue,

I think you're right, expansion will get the green light at CVT. Going off the debate slightly, do you think the owners will back it up and make the expansion happen ?
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but again, please do not think that anyone is against cov in theory..... we want cheap flights too...... but not at a cost
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Old March 15th, 2006, 11:37 AM   #123
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well its not just if expansion will go ahead, but if talks between bhx and tui continue, CVT may not have an airline to operate!
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Old March 15th, 2006, 11:45 AM   #124
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that is a good question, but it is difficult to call. it would be odd though if after all the rhetoric and expense the owners failed to follow-through with the plans. i'm confident that they will.

just going back on topic, i think the biggest gripe for those of us that support limited expansion is the biased reporting, particularly in the birmingham press. there are a lot of myths and half-truths that go largely unchallenged. the website below does a very good job of exploding the myths, and reading through it you have to wonder about the motives of those who oppose expansion:

facts?
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Old March 15th, 2006, 11:57 AM   #125
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Thanks for the link, when I get chance I'll have a good look - promise!

One area where I do see a potential benefit is the enhanced competition, if this keeps BHX on its toes, makes BHX more aggresive in terms of pricing etc then it could be a very good thing. Not sure that this would be of benefit for CVT!

Out of interest which airlines do you see CVT attracting ? Ryanair is the standout one for me, seems a perfect match in fact. This would also be an airline who's route network wouldn't clash to much with that on offer from BHX.
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Not major news but Air Berlin have taken over the weekly flights to Paderborn and Munster on behalf of the MOD.
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Old March 30th, 2006, 01:05 PM   #127
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well AirScotland have launched a once weekly service from BHX to Genora.....thats about it for this week!
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Old March 30th, 2006, 02:07 PM   #128
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ok scratch that........

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Air India Doubles Operation from BIA


After just a year of operating from Birmingham International Airport
(BIA), Air India has announced that it is doubling its Amritsar/Delhi
and Toronto services from 1st May 2006. The news comes following the
overwhelming success of its initial operation, which has carried more
than 100,000 people since it started from Birmingham in June last
year. The Indian flagship carrier will double its frequencies,
offering six weekly flights to Amritsar/Delhi and six per week to
Toronto.

Mr Madhav Lokur, Regional Manager for Air India is delighted with the
public's reaction to the services following last year's launch. He
said, "The response in the Midlands has been overwhelming. Since June
2005, we have carried over 24,000 passengers between Birmingham and
India, and nearly 10,000 between Birmingham and Toronto, and many
thousands more transit passengers between India and Canada.

"In response to this positive and growing demand, we are launching
three extra services a week to both India and Canada, providing even
greater choice for travellers in all three countries. I thank the
Airport for its continued support and hope that passengers welcome
and use the increased capacity with Air India from Birmingham."


Birmingham is the airline's only UK base outside London. The service,
which originates in Delhi, provides the only year round direct
scheduled service between Amritsar, Birmingham and Toronto.

Leader of Birmingham City Council, Councillor Mike Whitby, campaigned
to increase these services from the outset, and recently wrote a
letter to the Indian Aviation Minister on behalf of the Midlands'
Asian community to encourage more traffic between Birmingham and
India. Mr Whitby said, "The key to a thriving city is having a
successful airport which provides excellent air transport links
throughout the world. Birmingham Airport has a bright future,
particularly if airlines, like Air India, continue to show confidence
in the region and take advantage of emerging global markets to
enhance the city's presence on an international stage. Birmingham is
a truly multicultural city so I welcome this news on behalf of
Birmingham's Asian community, and urge people to make use of the
growing number of long-haul services available from their local
airport."

Air India will continue to operate Boeing 777-200 aircraft on the
route, which hold 292 passengers in a mixed configuration.
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Old March 30th, 2006, 06:21 PM   #129
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Skyblue - I believe it is the CAA/NATS that say the flightpaths cross, not just BIA, and, in all fairness to hammerb, it doesn't matter whether it is a new airport or not - it is the increase in flights that is the issue.
The flightpaths don't cross. Air traffic is managed so that depatures/arrivals on the conflicting runways join the same flightpath somewhere over Hatton way. It's been controlled this way for years.

In fact, the majority of landings/takeoffs from CVT are along the A45 -> Easterly, which does not conflict at all with Brum.

CVT have applied for their own controlled airspace, which they state will remove any conflicts between the two airports.

The biggest smokescreen is that they are squabbling over what amounts to 24 flights of passenger craft from CVT a day. The new owners of CVT are a large US Corporation who own a number of US airports and are mainly involved with freight. While everyone's squabbling over this tiny number of flights, there may be an explosion of freight/cargo arrivals. CVT isn't going to go away just because no passenger flights operate from it - it's going to expand whether it's passengers or cargo and business flights.
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The flightpaths don't cross. Air traffic is managed so that depatures/arrivals on the conflicting runways join the same flightpath somewhere over Hatton way. It's been controlled this way for years.

In fact, the majority of landings/takeoffs from CVT are along the A45 -> Easterly, which does not conflict at all with Brum.

CVT have applied for their own controlled airspace, which they state will remove any conflicts between the two airports.

The biggest smokescreen is that they are squabbling over what amounts to 24 flights of passenger craft from CVT a day. The new owners of CVT are a large US Corporation who own a number of US airports and are mainly involved with freight. While everyone's squabbling over this tiny number of flights, there may be an explosion of freight/cargo arrivals. CVT isn't going to go away just because no passenger flights operate from it - it's going to expand whether it's passengers or cargo and business flights.
they have managed to control the airspace for years, with putting the planes into the same approach, this is true.....but in the last 10 years, birmingham pax have doubled and cvts is going to have grown also, it cant maintain this forever, esp if bhx is to get its 35million pax per year in 2030!
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Old March 30th, 2006, 08:30 PM   #131
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they have managed to control the airspace for years, with putting the planes into the same approach, this is true.....but in the last 10 years, birmingham pax have doubled and cvts is going to have grown also, it cant maintain this forever, esp if bhx is to get its 35million pax per year in 2030!
You're assuming that the Government's white paper is right. The industry doesn't think it is.

Anyway, Brum can handle 20 million with a runway extension, and CVT can handle 10 million no problem with a runway extension. No need for another runway
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Old March 30th, 2006, 08:46 PM   #132
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the other runway aint in question

but to have 30million pax plus cargo + bussness jets all in the same approach...now thats a disater!
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Old March 30th, 2006, 10:20 PM   #133
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the other runway aint in question

but to have 30million pax plus cargo + bussness jets all in the same approach...now thats a disater!
aint in question? Huh? The backers are getting cold feet over the 2 million passengers at CVT. 2020 is a long way away. If there's no need for a 2nd runway, one won't be built. Remember all the white papers about trams in all the cities? That quickly turned into a few bus stops and bus lanes when the government realised the cost.
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A few rumours doing the rounds to keep an eye on. A new service to Moscow is rumoured, the airline is not known but is definately not Aeroflot. The other involves Jet Airways, a few months ago there were widespread rumours that they were looking at a 4 x weekly service to Amritsar, apparently this has now changed to Ahmedabad. The bad news is that E Mids is also in the running.
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moscow was as a result of BMI LHR-Moscow route being agree....slots have been sought at BHX and liverpool!!!!!!

also, the jet airways i think was as a result of the air india expansion......

ema dont have the advantage we have...... JET still has slots at BHX

both will be very welcome
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Old April 4th, 2006, 11:26 PM   #136
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Air India Doubles Birmingham Operation

April 3 2006

After just a year of operating from Birmingham International Airport (BIA), Air India has announced that it is doubling its Amritsar/Delhi and Toronto services from 1st May 2006. The news comes following the overwhelming success of its initial operation, which has carried more than 100,000 people since it started from Birmingham in June last year. The Indian flagship carrier will double its frequencies, offering six weekly flights to Amritsar/Delhi and six per week to Toronto.

Mr Madhav Lokur, Regional Manager for Air India is delighted with the public's reaction to the services following last year's launch. He said, "The response in the Midlands has been overwhelming. Since June 2005, we have carried over 24,000 passengers between Birmingham and India, and nearly 10,000 between Birmingham and Toronto, and many thousands more transit passengers between India and Canada. In response to this positive and growing demand, we are launching three extra services a week to both India and Canada, providing even greater choice for travellers in all three countries. I thank the Airport for its continued support and hope that passengers welcome and use the increased capacity with Air India from Birmingham."

Birmingham is the airline's only UK base outside London. The service, which originates in Delhi, provides the only year round direct scheduled service between Amritsar, Birmingham and Toronto.

Leader of Birmingham City Council, Councillor Mike Whitby, campaigned to increase these services from the outset, and recently wrote a letter to the Indian Aviation Minister on behalf of the Midlands' Asian community to encourage more traffic between Birmingham and India. Mr Whitby said, "The key to a thriving city is having a successful airport which provides excellent air transport links throughout the world. Birmingham Airport has a bright future, particularly if airlines, like Air India, continue to show confidence in the region and take advantage of emerging global markets to enhance the city's presence on an international stage. Birmingham is a truly multicultural city so I welcome this news on behalf of Birmingham's Asian community, and urge people to make use of the growing number of long-haul services available from their local airport."

Air India will continue to operate Boeing 777-200 aircraft on the route, which hold 292 passengers in a mixed configuration.
http://www.locatebirmingham.com/news.../news/2006/4/3

....more good news for BHX
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Old April 5th, 2006, 12:14 AM   #137
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Woody,

I may be wrong on my info on Indian society but I'm going to give it a go. Amritsar is so popular from BHX due to the Sikh community around the West Mids. The thinking is that Ahmedabad will be popular with the Gujurati community from the East Mids, therefore EMA is in with a shout. Maybe someone with better knowledge and probably spelling than me can explain or shed more light ?
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i would tend to agree with u on the community issue, but JET have been in talks with BHX for ages..... and the fact the Air India and Jet have faught over BHX is a good sign...

ive got an article from the indian times directly quoting the manager of Ahmedabad airport saying he plans a direct link to BHX...but yes, there is still a threat from EMA
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new summer press release on birminghams website

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BIA Is Soaring This Summer


With summer fast approaching, Birmingham International Airport (BIA) has released its summer 2006 programme to give people a taste of what’s to come at the Midlands’ leading airport. With around 100 scheduled and charter destinations available with no fewer than 50 scheduled and charter airlines, BIA will certainly provide something for all tastes - from the traditional two week break in the sun or long-haul trip of a lifetime, to the city break tour or adventure holiday.

The summer season heralds the start of several new scheduled routes and an impressive four new airlines to the Airport. SkyEurope will launch flights to Krakow from April 12th offering twice-weekly services to the popular Polish city break destination. Hapag-Lloyd Express will launch five services a week to Cologne starting 11th May, and Slovenia’s national carrier, Adria Airways will begin weekly service to Ljubljana from 10th May, offering seat only and package tours to Slovenia’s capital city. Meanwhile, brand new airline Flywho will launch its first ever flight from Birmingham to Orlando on 8th July. The new long-haul airline will fly non-stop to Orlando Sanford twice a week and St Petersburg-Tampa once per week.

Commenting on these new developments, Richard Heard, the Airport’s Managing Director said, “Every year Birmingham Airport continues to attract more and more airlines, which in turn increase the range of destinations on offer to our passengers and to the region. This is partly because airlines are becoming increasingly more aware of the excellent facilities available to their passengers from BIA and location in the heart of the UK. Right now, for example, we are investing £30 million pounds on improving our retail and catering facilities and updating the terminal buildings to offer more choice and greater passenger satisfaction.”


Meanwhile, a number of Birmingham’s existing carriers are also expanding their programmes for the summer season. BA launched its new low fares airline ‘BA Connect’ on March 26th, offering new daily services to Berlin, which was previously unavailable from BIA. The airline is also now flying to Geneva every day and will begin four daily flights to Belfast City from April 12th. These new destinations are in addition to BA Connect’s 14 other scheduled destinations already available from Birmingham.

Furthermore, Air India has announced that it is doubling its services to both Amritsar/Delhi and Toronto from the 1st May following the success of its Birmingham launch in May 2005. The Indian flagship carrier will increase its operation from three weekly departures to six on both routes, totalling twelve departures each week from BIA.

Irish carrier, Aer Arann, will introduce another new destination to BIA’s route network – Liege, three times a week, from May 15th. Additionally, Monarch Scheduled will launch two new low-cost scheduled routes from the beginning of the summer season to Lanzarote and Mahon, and will also start flights to Almeria, Murcia and Palma - already offered with other low cost carriers. Monarch will also continue to operate its existing services to Faro, Tenerife, Malaga and Alicante. These developments mean that Monarch has doubled its route network from Birmingham after launching just one year ago on 28th April 2005.


Aer Lingus, one of BIA’s longest serving airlines, has announced that it will add Cork to its timetable from June 20th, and Eastern Airways has added an extra 1000 seats a month on its Birmingham-Inverness route, which runs three times daily.

Finally, the charter market is also developing at Birmingham. TUI will launch another brand new route for Birmingham to Pula, and more capacity will be available to Sharm El Sheikh, Palma, Larnaca and Faro with Thomas Cook, Varna with First Choice, and Bourgas with both TUI and MyTravel. Holiday Options and Balkan Holidays will both offer packages to Ljubljana in Slovenia on Adria Airways’ new service.

Mr Heard continues, “We are extremely proud to continue offering the widest range of air services in the region, providing business and leisure travellers with easy access, excellent facilities and a quality service.”

Birmingham International Airport’s complete summer timetable can be viewed on www.bhx.co.uk, along with a facility for booking flights, hotels and car hire.
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