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Old March 26th, 2009, 12:05 PM   #1041
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EH/Westminster/Royal Parks - Statistics

Played 9
Won 0
Lost 9


Heron -Lost
LBT- Lost
St Georges Tower -Lost
Lots Road towers -Lost
20 Fenchurch St - Lost
Doon st -Lost
100 City Rd -Lost
1 Beetham- Lost
20 Beetham- Lost

Just waiting for the match report to come through from Mr Jenkins & Mr ES Editor
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Can someone please re-post Jenkins' email address? I wanna write to him.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 01:07 PM   #1043
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I'm so pleased. Being a bit purile here but NA NA! EH!!
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Can someone please re-post Jenkins' email address? I wanna write to him.
it's [email protected]
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Old March 26th, 2009, 01:32 PM   #1045
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Heritage groups have lost every single public inquiry against tall buildings in London.

We've won the debate!
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Old March 26th, 2009, 01:36 PM   #1046
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:08 PM   #1047
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That's great news

What's the process from here on in? Can construction now start, or are there other approvals required?
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:16 PM   #1048
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Surely they should stop at 10 defeats if they had any sense... Plough the money into actually preserving things that need preserving.

Good news.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:19 PM   #1049
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Very good news, and deserved given the investment in time, consultation etc to ensure all key parties were on side. The PI reflects that the project is positive, that the site is appropriate for high rise buildings. The scaling down of the building to 51 stories to ensure EH sign off has proven a very wise decision, and left EH defenceless. This said, I don't really believe that the heritage lobbies are against this building as a whole - far from it; just those who cannot accept that high rise buildings can fit into London. Already a few high rise buildings have been designated, and in time the best of this generation's high rise building will also become designated in 30 years time, including perhaps this Beetham proposal.

Its unfortunate for Beetham that this project was called and that a year has been lost when construction should have been underway and financing costs are ticking away. Perhaps construction costs have lowered since and this may balance out the costs. I fully expect the apartments to sell at a premium, the panoramic views may be the best in London and will always be unobstructed over the river.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:22 PM   #1050
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That's great news

What's the process from here on in? Can construction now start, or are there other approvals required?
Everything can now happen.

However, given how the economic landscape has changed in the intervening year of wasted time and taxpayer's money, don't expect any diggers on site any time soon!

So it's a bittersweet from me
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Just to add, the role of EH in reducing the scale of Beetham in return for a sign off was actually one of the few times I have agreed with a scale reduction, that in this case it matured the project and helped it fit in to its London/South Bank context. This is what EH consultation should be about, rather than scale/height reduction for the sake of it - as has been too often the case on many other projects.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #1052
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Surely they should stop at 10 defeats if they had any sense... Plough the money into actually preserving things that need preserving.
Wise words!

How can English Heritage possibly justify wasting more millions on their lost crusade against tall buildings when thousands of historic buildings in the UK are rotting in a state of disarray.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #1054
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Aren't public inquires around £10million each? Add the ones that haven't yet been decided (Waterloo and Minerva's Ram Brewery) and you have well over £100million of tax payers money flushed down the toilet by the pricks at EH.

And people call the Olympics a waste of money...
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Old March 26th, 2009, 03:29 PM   #1055
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Everything can now happen.

However, given how the economic landscape has changed in the intervening year of wasted time and taxpayer's money, don't expect any diggers on site any time soon!

So it's a bittersweet from me
work to start immediately with the tower 'substantially' built by 2012 - according to a report in architects journal.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 03:37 PM   #1056
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Just to add, the role of EH in reducing the scale of Beetham in return for a sign off was actually one of the few times I have agreed with a scale reduction, that in this case it matured the project and helped it fit in to its London/South Bank context. This is what EH consultation should be about, rather than scale/height reduction for the sake of it - as has been too often the case on many other projects.
I dont agree. EH meddling kept getting this cut down in height & the last "cut 10m of the top or we will call you in" was a nasty piece of work by EH.
It still got called in anyway as EH other partners in crime over at the Royal Parks & Westminster called it in on their behalf.

The cut from 180m to 170m , its generally agreed has spoiled the profile of the tower.
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IAN SIMPSON: IT'S A MASSIVE WEIGHT OFF MY MIND



"This is our most important project to date and will be a stepping stone for the future of the practice. We’ve been working on this for over five years and it’s a year since it was called in.

"Having to wait for a decision has been quite nerve wracking. But [developer] the Beethams did a fantastic job in committing to the inquiry - we built models and decked out the inquiry room.

"It will take time to get the financing…but we know that Beetham is committed.

"They’ve had conversations [with potential funding partners] but until the decision is there in black and white, it’s a hypothetical thing.

"I feel very confident that towards the end of the year, the funding will be in place.

"All practices are going through a period of retraction. This project won’t affect the short term but what’s exciting is that we believe there is now a light at the end of the tunnel by 2010. It’s great to have a project like this to focus on.

"This is a very important project to the practice and we want to get it right and create a beautiful building for London."

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Old March 26th, 2009, 05:08 PM   #1058
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I dont agree. EH meddling kept getting this cut down in height & the last "cut 10m of the top or we will call you in" was a nasty piece of work by EH.
It still got called in anyway as EH other partners in crime over at the Royal Parks & Westminster called it in on their behalf.

The cut from 180m to 170m , its generally agreed has spoiled the profile of the tower.
the height decrease has spoilt the overall cluster view from the west ie Waterloo Bridge. Incredibly stupid strategy by EH, more like a madman with a machine gun than 'maturing it'.

Also I cant see any other tall building proposal that they have improved, look at the poor Doon Street tower and the banal cladding change that was forced upon it.

EH should not have any say in modern buildings that are not within say 100 metres of a Grade II listed building! Their remit needs to be severely tightened up

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Old March 26th, 2009, 05:31 PM   #1059
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English Heritage should restore old buildings and have nothing to say about other planning applications.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 05:51 PM   #1060
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Surprise surprise The Evening Standard has a negative article about the tower on their site today (am not gonna bother to post it), their picture has the title "intrusive".

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