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Old January 25th, 2007, 07:51 PM   #121
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Build it on the site of the multi-storey carpark AND gardens - turn existing surface carpark into new gardens / extension to Centenary Sq., thus creating a T shaped square. With the Library being a decent height, it might hide those hideous 4 tower blocks if positioned where I say.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 08:52 PM   #122
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I think they've / they're doing a good job with those 4 towers behind the Rep. They're going to be fine.
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Old January 26th, 2007, 10:10 AM   #123
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Given that the area behind is already cut off with no attractive pedestrian link from the main city core (best being through the existing car park) then i can't see that it would make it worse. After all you would probably still be able to walk between the building and the Rep or BH. + We may get a walkway through the middle of the site (inside or open depending on the design)

Something has to be done about that Car park and since we wont get the Rogers library i think this is the best suggestion so far.
+ i think we are all over estimating the size of building required. It's a site as big as the one Baskerville house is on and that is a huge building... while the existing library might look biger in relation it is mostly air in the form of Paradise forum + it contains UCE's school of acting as well as other uses in the complex.
I take your point about the area being already cut off, but we should be doing something to improve it, not make it worse. Especially as we aren't getting rid of the 4 council towers (they are looking better already though).

The council considered Baskerville House but it would have needed a lot of strengthening, and was too small anyway. Ergo, if BH was too small, then the plot next to it must be too.

The problem is, I can't really think of many other places
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They should just have built the bloody Rogers library it was excellent!
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Old January 26th, 2007, 07:48 PM   #125
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Do we really want to make a show-piece entrance to the back of Centerary square though. The back of the Rep and ICC is hardly somewhere we want to lead tourists. Admittedly that rather misses the point that we are meant to be regenerating however i think that a library here with a back entrance as good as the front would be fine... it'll need vehicle access from there so they need to be careful.. but it think the additional access to the canal & area behind the site needs to come from removing that multi story car park behind BH and connecting through to Paradise Forum when that is re master planned.. with a second raised pedestrian Bridge like the existing one.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #126
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They should build the Rogers Library of Birmingham, we should have a city and nation wide petition, for this and against bungling council fools.

The project is brilliant, iconic, needed and is what the city needs, think about it please, think!
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Old January 27th, 2007, 03:55 PM   #127
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I liked Rogers' library scheme but I think it was in the wrong place.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:11 PM   #128
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back of the Rep and ICC is hardly somewhere we want to lead tourists
i think the main tourist attraction of the rogers design was the 'floating leaf' roof garden and the way the library opened up to the eastside park.

can anyone really think of a library anywhere that is a tourist attraction beside it's architecture/appearance?
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #129
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I liked Rogers' library scheme but I think it was in the wrong place.
Why was it in the wrong place? (i'm not saying it wasn't, i just wonder why you think that). To me a library doesn't need to be dead central, it just needs to be fairly accessible, its a facility people generally travel to use anyway. I just felt the Rogers design would attract people wherever it was.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:27 PM   #130
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It would attract people and that's what I found the problem (in sorts).

Basically, when this was proposed, it was all about the Eastside. Eastside was a new buzzing area (and still is) and we wanted to make it as modern as possible. The opportunity for a library came along and shoving it in Eastside seemed like the right thing to do. But to me, it was wrong.

A major reason why people go to Centenary Square and Broad Street etc is to get to the library. It is one of the busiest in the world (apparently). But moving it away from there would ultimately remove a large number of visitors from there.

With Eastside, we were putting all our eggs in one basket. Eastside needed something new for Birmingham, not an update. That's hwy I think a Museum of Contemporary Art would be so much more better for it and not the library.

The currently library site is actually perfect, though the building isn't. It joins Brindleyplace, Broad Street and Centenary Square to the rest of the city centre.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:48 PM   #131
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Im sure it is busy but I'm sure those fugures are probably including all the people who are walking through with no interest in the Library.

Its like saying that the Pallisades is the most popular shopping centre in birmingham when 99.9% are just walking through to New Street.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 07:12 PM   #132
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The currently library site is actually perfect, though the building isn't. It joins Brindleyplace, Broad Street and Centenary Square to the rest of the city centre.
The council want to link up the major business areas Brindley Place and Colmore Row I don't see a library being a good link. This is why it is the future development at Paridise Circus that means the library must move.
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Old March 17th, 2007, 07:52 PM   #133
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A comment on using the Rep car park for the Rep reminded me of this thread.

I have heard, fairly recently and from a good source, that the council has dropped plans for the Library of Birmingham to go on the Rep car park site .

Interestingly, Parky Report hints that they should find space for it somewhere near Eastside to give it the Learning Quarter moniker. I wonder whether it can be squeezed in on near Masshouse or somewhere like that?

Alternatively, I think I would like to see the old TSB/Masonic Hall at Arena Central used as the entrance, and a really funky new building behind. This would be a good prelet/sale for Miller to advance Arena Central, and give a great frontage to Centenarty Square.

Failing that, how about next to the current library?
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Old March 18th, 2007, 02:55 AM   #134
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That sounds good but theyre running out of space unless they get masterplanning it soon for eastside. Going to be quite the hub of activity.

Maybe they could do something with UCE and thereby seek further financial backing. Would give great kudos to UCE to have main city library as part or linked to campus and would fit with the more vocational nature of UCE.
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The council want to link up the major business areas Brindley Place and Colmore Row I don't see a library being a good link. This is why it is the future development at Paridise Circus that means the library must move.
My thoughts precisely. Having the library in such a developing area as Paradise Circus would be seen more as a yoke more than anything. I was under the impression that one of the purposes of Eastside was for it follow a theme ie education, knowledge, culture and the arts and hence Millennium Point.

It would certainly show a lack of joined-up thinking to have one educational centre-point in one area of the city and another a couple of miles away! Build the new library at Eastside as originally intended and redevelop Paradise Circus big style with mix-use ideas - perhaps even reviving those early Paradise Circus Towers plan
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Old March 19th, 2007, 10:54 AM   #136
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I will be interested to see what the Project Managers Capita Symonds (I think) come up with. Aren't they due to announce this month?
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Where can I find pictures of the current library, preferably when she was new and clean?
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I liked Rogers' library scheme but I think it was in the wrong place.
They wanted to move it to the education quarter - where 3 universities, 2 colleges, NTI, science museum and a science park are situated. The idea of Eastside was to be for education, the library was one piece of it all. Now, the library is being moved further away.

UCE, Aston and B'ham students are fed up of having to do a nearly 2 mile round walk to get to the library as it is now.
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