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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:11 PM   #101
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oi oi, FLD abnd SimLim, dont make me come in there and stop you both bikkering... fight in private if you must!
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:12 PM   #102
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Lets not forget that soaring toothpick either which could take the overall height to well above 170m.
 
Old January 29th, 2007, 12:13 PM   #103
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well here is the crack...

the model of alpha tower shows a step back at the top. whe you see pictures of the tower, you will realise this step back is nothing but a frame to place masts on and is never included in the 100m. it is the lower step that puts it in at 100m.

you see 100m goes to how many floors on the tower, then you see that 2 double height floors at the base which kuhne has also loved. anyway, you get a floor height of about 3.336m (3.21m of HCT and 3.34m for BST) so you get a good 157/8m to 47 floors, and notice how the fadade continues up another 2 or 3 floors, places AST at about 163m-166m..there is the maths!
I agree with you Woody, at least 165 metres, that's 13 metres taller than our BT Tower, plus AST is on higher ground. It will look fantastic, & I don't know why some people are so disappointed & being influenced by negative comments by other forumers from around the UK.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:15 PM   #104
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Ok Ok! lets get one thing sorted. The double height glass panels edging the roof. How will they be seen at night? Will they become a white light beacon to act as a crown for the tower? (AKA Inspiration from Victoria Square, the statue itself?) or will the become a non-entity once the sun sets?

I would also like to know if those bloody blue lines at the bottom mark water channels or not because its been bothering me for the last couple of days now!
 
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I agree with you Woody, at least 165 metres, that's 13 metres taller than our BT Tower, plus AST is on higher ground. It will look fantastic, & I don't know why some people are so disappointed & being influenced by negative comments by other forumers from around the UK.

If they dont like it, they dont like it.
 
Old January 29th, 2007, 12:30 PM   #106
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It looks good.

The roof is an attempt not to just maximise profit and this would be a better shape than say our Crown (which surely signifies turrets and peaks?) building and hopefully the start of less boxy shapes. What will be on the roof, terracing for the penthouses??
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:45 PM   #107
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you see 100m goes to how many floors on the tower, then you see that 2 double height floors at the base which kuhne has also loved. anyway, you get a floor height of about 3.336m (3.21m of HCT and 3.34m for BST) so you get a good 157/8m to 47 floors, and notice how the fadade continues up another 2 or 3 floors, places AST at about 163m-166m..there is the maths!
Counting the double-height lower floors as 2 floors each, and also counting the facade continuation, I make 51 floors above ground

The spire (which is all important as our great rivals and friends Manchester stick plant rooms and wind blades on theirs) adds another couple of floors maybe.

53 floors @ 3.3m = 174.9m

Sim - I think the original tower was office and the rest of the scheme was resi, but I could be mistaken.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:47 PM   #108
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Imagine the view looking from Paradise with this, and then the Cube 100m behind it
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:53 PM   #109
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Great views from AST too, over the Town Hall in to Victoria Square to the North, & towards the canal network the Cube & on to the Malvern Hills 40 miles to the South! With binoculars from the Waitrose carpark at Great Malvern you can see the top of the BT Tower. AST will easily be visible now too.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 12:59 PM   #110
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the town hall is looking awesome after the renovation, AC is definitely a cut above anything else I've seen, something that FLD mentioned.. it also seems to fold in places and I didn't evem notice the crown, like I said beofr its iconic in a subtle way and the detail is well thought out IMO, I wonder what the section is in the centre midway up? just aesthetic or serves a purpose??
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:05 PM   #111
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The section half way up reminds me of the Hyatt square sections. Perhaps it's going to be a restaurant as mentioned previously, which would be great, or a communal gym/pool or something?
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:10 PM   #112
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http://www.pipers.co.uk/pm/modelgallery.php

its not there anymore? I really hope this wasn't a wind up!!!
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:12 PM   #113
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Oh dear.
 
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its not there anymore? I really hope this wasn't a wind up!!!

I wouldn't think so, SSNews seem to be on the ball.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:13 PM   #115
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oooooooh the mystery???

ps, it might be worth pointing out that high-places stipulates that high rise buildings should have viewing galleries and restuarants up them as tourist attractions... and considering most dont, i wouldnt be suppruised is this one did!
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:25 PM   #116
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out of interest...wasn't this supposed to be "squeezed toothpaste tube" shaped?

was that in a press release or just made up on here?
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:29 PM   #117
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The render before this showed it as slightly squeezed at the bottom, Miller also said it would be a kind of squeezed shape, and then mentioned here... but I think the render does show a kind of tappering, its difficult to tell.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 01:53 PM   #118
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well it must not be too long till the official plans are released and we will get the exact measurements etc

I am glad people are starting to look at the tower in a positive light. I agree, it could well be very close to 170m, so i dont know why people are going crazy and being so negative - anyway - we will just have to wait and see what happens

all i can say is i cant wait to see construction begin, and watch as the floors go up one by one. I loved watching HCT rise, and this will be even better!
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Old January 29th, 2007, 02:01 PM   #119
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Whilst I have to say I like this, the only thing puzzing me is where Eric Kuhne got his inspiration.

It said in all the PR blurb that he was going to get his inspiration from Birmingham heritage etc blah de blah, in the same way that he put "oast house" details at Bluewater.

I must admit at the time, I thought "we're going to get a big screw ( ) or a giant button" - but I'd still like to hear the mans thoughts.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #120
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its not there anymore? I really hope this wasn't a wind up!!!
Soory if this is a bit naught, tell me if it is and I'll get rid of em, but:

http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...nsonworld/AST/
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