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Old October 22nd, 2004, 05:31 AM   #41
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Surprisingly enough, in terms of total crowds, Both the Premiership (13.5M) and The Championship (8.8M) (the division formerly known as Division One and perviously known as Division Two) got higher crowds than Serie A last season.
but why is this surprising?
I have never understood this idea that crowds are big in Italy or southern europe in general. They are not.
English and german crowds are much higher and kept down by restricted capacities.

Italy need to look at their poor facilities and hooligan problems. It doesnt seem to be taken seriously.
The promotion of a few clubs with good crowds hides the fact that most clubs seem to continue to lose crowds making one wonder if the second level of english football will overtake Italy´s top league for crowds in the near future.

Juventus is particularly remarkable. just 18,000 against Bayern is simply astonishing.
Hopefully things will improve with the new stadium which looks great

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Old October 22nd, 2004, 05:56 PM   #42
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In which case Hull city "sometimes" get crowds of 50-60000 like they did vs Manchester United on 26/02/1949 when 55019 poeple watched the game at Boothferry park.

Really??

They only came to see United......

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Old October 22nd, 2004, 06:44 PM   #43
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have you considerd that people in Italy can have something better to do than go to the stadium?

anyway, the 3 cities with high average for all the matches are Milano, Napoli and Roma.
normally Inter, Milan, Napoli and Roma have an average higher than 55.000 people for all the Serie A. (all 3 are cities with population between 3.500.000 to 7.500.000)
Milan and Inter normally have 10/12 matches every year with more than 80.000 people (League+Cups).
Napoli, that today is in the Serie C1 (our third division) had 70.000 people at San Paolo stadium las week! third division!!!!

Torino is not a stadium-friendly city.
the Delle Apli stadium is one of the worst in Europe to see a football match.
(for that reason it will be rebuilt next year), is not well linked by bus or tram with the rest of the city (it's in the suburbs), and there is not subway in Turin.

in the last years also the southern Italian city (Palermo, Catania, Lecce...) have high average, with more than 40.000 people per match.

but is sure...we haven't high average as in England or Scotland.
for more reasons:
in the last years only Milan, Inter, Lazio, Juve and Roma were in Serie A.
other great teams of the big cities were in Serie B or C1:
Fiorentina, Palermo, Catania, Cagliari, Venezia, Genova, Sampdoria, Triestina, Taranto, Pescara, Hellas Verona, Padova, Bari, Salernitana...all that teams are located in cities with a populatione between 300.000 tO 1.200.000 people...and all are in Serie B or C1, or C2!
we have in Serie A the Chievo that have 6.000 people!
Atalanta Bergamo 110.000 people!
Brescia 190.000, Reggina 180.000, Siena, 50.000, Lecce 83.000....

We have other sports as Basketball, Volley, Ice Hockey that have good average.
and don't forget that from April to October a grat number of the people of the big cities of all Italy do weekends away from home, on the lake, on the sea, on the mountains.
the same during the winter season for north Italy, here ski is very diffused and holiday houses are very common on the Alps. (i go the most part of the winter w.e. on the Alps to skiing!)
in North Italy, except few people we haven't a Love Supreme for a Football Team!
personally i'm a Inter fan, but i went at stadium only 1 or 2 times each years, to watch only good matches as Inter-Milan or Inter-Juve or some good matche of Champions Cup (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax, Porto...).
and if the team did a bad season...i don't go to stadium to watch boring matches!!

for the most part of Italians football is only a sport...not a religion, and the stadium is not a Church!
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but why is this surprising?
I have never understood this idea that crowds are big in Italy or southern europe in general. They are not.
English and german crowds are much higher and kept down by restricted capacities.

Italy need to look at their poor facilities and hooligan problems. It doesnt seem to be taken seriously.
The promotion of a few clubs with good crowds hides the fact that most clubs seem to continue to lose crowds making one wonder if the second level of english football will overtake Italy´s top league for crowds in the near future.
It's surprising because there are a number of Italian teams (and Juventus are definately one) that really warrent better support.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

Some interesting information in his site.
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Old October 25th, 2004, 11:10 AM   #45
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have you considerd that people in Italy can have something better to do than go to the stadium? ......................
Cheers for the response, glad someone took the time to explain things, I think on the whole Italy's crowds are pretty good but it was nice that someone in the know, took the time to explain the Juve discrepancy. Looks like they may well finally get the crowds they deserve when they move to the new ground.


Can anyone tell me anything about the location of the new ground, i'm a big fan of inner-city venues which i think is much more preferable than the recent trend for out of town placements.
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Old October 25th, 2004, 05:09 PM   #46
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ops.

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Old October 25th, 2004, 05:17 PM   #47
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the next Juve stadium will be in the exactly same place.
the Delle Alpi wil be partial destroyed, then rebuilt, with facilities, the footbal ground in North-south direction (today is West-East), no atlethic field. around the stadium will be built the Juve City, with Hotels, restaurants, Museum...
i think that the work will be long 1 year and half, and Juve will paly in the old Comunale Stadium near to the city centre (today is the training field of the team and is under renovation for the olympic games of 2006 for the Ceremonies).
in Torino there's also a third stadium, the oldest one: the Filadelfia.
it was for many decades the home of the Torino F.C. where they won 7 Italian Championship.
the true name of that stadium is Campo Torino, but all called it Filadelfia (is the adress).
it was built in the 1926 by the owner of Torino F.C., Enrico Cinzano, and the Torino F.C. played in from 1926 to 1963.
official capacity - 15.000
unofficial capacity - more than 40.000
from the 1963 to the beginnings of the 80's the Filadelfia was the training field of Torino F.C., then was compleltely abandoned and the mosta parte of the structure collapsed himself.
from few monthso the Torino F.C. became another time Filadelfia owner.
today there's a project to rebuilt the stadium (15.000 all seats) with facilities.

in Italy the most part of the stadiums are in the city centre or very close.
this 'cause the most part of the big stadiums in the big cities were built during the Fascism in the 20's and the 30's when the city were more small than today.
in Milano, San Siro were built far away from the city centre...in the mid 20's!
the Milan owner that built the stadium choose a great area 9 km east of the city centre, where with the Municiaplity built the San Siro stadium, the 3 Hippodrome Stadiums the Lido swimming pool (that for more than 40 years was the world greatest one) and other facilities. at that time the area was part of the green circle that rounded Milano.
today is one of the nearest neighborhood to the city centre! only 10 subway stations from Duomo square (the geographical city centre).

same thing in Bologna, Firenza, Genova, Parma...

only stadiums in Roma, Napoli, Bari, Torino are far from city centre, cause all were built between the 50's to the 90's.

i think that the most Inner city stadium in Italy is the Como one.
Como is on the omonimous Lake, and the city centre is along the banks. exactly in front of the lake and in front of the princiapal square of the city there is the Sinigaglia Stadium (11.000)



today a good number of the most important stadium of Italy are or will be under renovation, cause Italy is a candidate for Euro 2012 and at today only the San Siro Stadium in Milano have all Uefa criteria for European Championship.
for Euro 2012 will have at minimum 6 stadiums with Uefa criterias.

San Siro is Ok
Delle Alpi will be rebuilt.
Olimpico in Roma have big problems
San Paolo in Napoli have enormous problems.
Palermo Stadium is too much small
Bologna stadium is one of the oldest and have any criteria.
Bari Stadium is wonderful and recently.
Venezia stadium is ridicolous.

...will have great problems!

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Old October 28th, 2004, 12:45 PM   #48
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Interesting information on Italian Stadiums....
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Old March 22nd, 2005, 06:28 AM   #49
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I heard that they are confirming the capacity to be 35,000 or something, which is way too small..... I think it should be around 40,000-50,000

Anyone know if the stands can be again extended after the first construction phase?
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Old March 25th, 2005, 03:01 AM   #50
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New pics on the rebuilding project...







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Old June 2nd, 2005, 07:06 PM   #51
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The official capacity is 40.500 seats.
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Old June 3rd, 2005, 02:20 AM   #52
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Has works started yet? I thought that the reconstruction of the stadium starts on June 1, but I went to the Juve website and there is no info....

Are they really going to start this soon? Can anyone confirm?
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Old June 3rd, 2005, 05:36 PM   #53
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It's sure.
The works will start on 10/15 June, after Toro's play-out matchs.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 12:43 PM   #54
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TURIN - Juventus Arena (40,200)


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Capacity: 40,700
Investment: 120M€

The project includes the demolition of "old" Delle Alpi stadium in Turin (built for Italia '90 World Cup).

Turin will have for the first time in its history a real soccer stadium. Former Delle Alpi, despite its big capacity and its astonishing architecture, had all the bad carachteristichs of an Olympic Stadium, mainly the high average distance between seats and pitch.

The "Comunale" stadium, renewed by the municipality of Turin for the Olympic Games and renamed "Olimpico", is actuallt the home of Juventus FC and Torino FC. Also the "Olimpico" has actually the same bad carachteristics of former Delle Alpi. Moreover, its capacity is ridicolous (slighlty more than 25.000 seats).

The brand new stadium will include commercial areas and sport facilities.

Management says investment is strictly related with Euro2012. When Italy will win the competition to host the Euro Cup, Juventus would access to public interest rates, close to 0%.

The property will be 100% Juventus FC.
















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Old February 10th, 2007, 01:10 PM   #55
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awesome..finally its happening. the olympic stadium which hosted the opening ceremony of the winter games is sufficient as an athletics venue.
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Funny stadium, but to my opinion it does not fit the biggest club in Italy. Nothing special about it.
Offcourse it is an improvement for Juventus, but compared with clubs like Valencia, Shaktar Donetsk, Zaragoza and others it is nothing special.
No for me Juventus is way up there and this stadium somewhere in the middle. The two don't combain mop
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but it fits for its ridiculous supporters. when you are such a great club, you may expect that the supporters fill up the stadium. even in a CL game it wasnt full. last game against Ajax there where 3000 juve supporters. big club.. whohoow.
nope, juve is nothing to me, AC Milan is the biggest club from Italy. and than you can say 'but juve has supporters from all over the country, who must travel far and CL games are allways in the evening and they all have to work next day'. yeah, but where are those in normal games?
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Does the stadium have a moat around it?

Those bridges are draw-bridges obv.
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Old February 11th, 2007, 10:57 PM   #59
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Funny stadium, but to my opinion it does not fit the biggest club in Italy. Nothing special about it.
Offcourse it is an improvement for Juventus, but compared with clubs like Valencia, Shaktar Donetsk, Zaragoza and others it is nothing special.
No for me Juventus is way up there and this stadium somewhere in the middle. The two don't combain mop
You are right but remember that in Turin the most popular club is AC Torino. Juventus is big team becouse have lot of fans in italian countryside not in Turin.


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awesome..finally its happening. the olympic stadium which hosted the opening ceremony of the winter games is sufficient as an athletics venue.
This is another stadium in Torino, not Stadio Olimpico.
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