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Old August 11th, 2005, 04:35 AM   #81
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So why was is it shut and left to rot away. such a loss, especially given the state of current public transport.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 05:50 PM   #82
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It was all an issue of economics (no matter how dubious that seems), apparently.

They felt that since New Street was electrified and redeveloped they couldn't justify keeping a second major terminus - with a duplicate route to London - open. And that's why it was literally left to rot away the way it was. Of course, with hindsight, given the huge demand for travel and competing services these days, they inevitably realised that it was a mistake to close/downgrade the only bona fide FOUR TRACK rail route (i.e. the old GWR) out of the city towards the capital thus squeezing all the traffic onto one route [which was already reaching capacity as it was] - hence the phased re-opening in 1987. Sometimes you have to realise that rationalisation ISN'T the answer in some respects. I think they've still yet to learn their lesson on that particular front however.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 06:19 PM   #83
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it sounds really pathetic but honestly it does make me want to cry, this was an amazing station..... better than the respective new street station. this would have been our equivelant to the modern Euston, and old Kings x /pancras sta in london id imagine.

infact from those pictures, it looks somewhat similar to glasgow central!!!!!!!

i would quite happily give up the proposed towers/office blocks in the snow hill site and rebuild a similar but slightly more modern version of that station!
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martin G, i dont mean to sound Geeky but does that book happen to show the layout of tracks and platforms for the station?
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Old August 11th, 2005, 07:32 PM   #85
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Yes - there are some diagrams as well. It's a brilliant book - I bought it in 1984 from the Ian Allan shop that used to be in the Birmingham Shopping Centre (later the Pallasades) - it cost only £4.95 and my copy was signed by the author! Though it was first published in 1978....I think this issue was reprinted as a paperback.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 09:36 PM   #86
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Fantastic pics there guys, really sad to see some of those pics and how things could have been so different.
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Old August 13th, 2005, 07:53 PM   #87
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And now..... remember this windswept space?

Christ this is amazing! I never knew this was originally exposed to the elements.

It's so sexy, so elegant, so mmm, it looks like something from Brasilia Anymore pictures? I can imagine it was cold though. I always thought the roof and extraction looked like additions. Now I've seen this I really, really don't want to see her demolished.

I'd want to see this section retained/restored and incorporated in whatever the new (office?) scheme may be. Surely the Large floor plates could be turned into office space? and look at the ceiling height! If I was in charge this would be planar glazed like the front of the Mailbox with a minimal bullring style sky roof. It reminds me a little of the ground floor level of the Glenn Howells tower proposed for the mailbox.

There are too many melancholy pictures of long gone builings which we would love back and this shouldn't be one too. Both Central Libraries have been such hugely significant buildings in the history of Birmingham it would be a terrible mistake to loose this one too.
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Old August 13th, 2005, 10:00 PM   #88
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It is certainly my favourite thread at the moment....I'm tempted to post some of these images on the main skybar
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Old August 13th, 2005, 10:50 PM   #89
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Blimey, who remembers the Camp Hill flyover? Here it is in 1968, I'm sure it was only supposed to be a temporary structure but i can remember it so it must have lasted well into the late Eighties!
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:07 AM   #90
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Blimey, who remembers the Camp Hill flyover? Here it is in 1968, I'm sure it was only supposed to be a temporary structure but i can remember it so it must have lasted well into the late Eighties!
Guess I must be knockin on but I certainly remember it. I remember getting the number 6 bus from town up the Stratford Rd to stay with one of my mates from B'ham Uni. The bus went over this structure and when you sat upstairs at the front it felt like you would tip over the edge. I know it was only meant to be up for a couple of years but obviously lasted a lot longer (BIT LIKE PREFABS!)..
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:08 AM   #91
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Yeah - I recall it - it was there for quite a while before they finally dismantled it - Manchester had a similar one at Chester Road junction - which also went once the Mancunian Way was extended below it to connect with the western side of Regent Road junction. It was pretty useful that Camp Hill flyover and one wonders why they didn't just leave it as steel flyovers are actually pretty rare in the UK (North London still has a few dotted about somewhere).
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:11 AM   #92
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I love that pic, it seems strange seeing the M1 signposted in the city centre
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Christ this is amazing! I never knew this was originally exposed to the elements.

It's so sexy, so elegant, so mmm, it looks like something from Brasilia Anymore pictures? I can imagine it was cold though. I always thought the roof and extraction looked like additions. Now I've seen this I really, really don't want to see her demolished.

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There are too many melancholy pictures of long gone builings which we would love back and this shouldn't be one too. Both Central Libraries have been such hugely significant buildings in the history of Birmingham it would be a terrible mistake to loose this one too.
MMM..I can assure you that when it was exposed to the elements it was ******* terrible. The wind would howl through, and people would scurry about trying to get through as quickly as possible. Then they created Paradise Forum and it improved things 100%. We now need money spent here again though, coz it looks decidely tatty!.
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:28 AM   #94
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MMM..I can assure you that when it was exposed to the elements it was ******* terrible. The wind would howl through, and people would scurry about trying to get through as quickly as possible. Then they created Paradise Forum and it improved things 100%. We now need money spent here again though, coz it looks decidely tatty!.
It was, it was awful! I remember at some point in the late 70's/early 80's going there with my parents because my mum needed to renew her train pass. The wind in there was cutting. And then there was all the unfinished bit, there were sections out the back towards where the Copthorne is now with rebar sticking out, and unfinished water features, and past that there was a bit of a car park and a scaffold bridge down to a subway which you used to get to the Bingley Hall...
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:32 AM   #95
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I love that pic, it seems strange seeing the M1 signposted in the city centre
I know what you mean, but that was before the M6 finally reached the city I take it? Mind you - Brum STILL has exactly the same lamp-posts as those shown in that pic on most of its main roads. Only the actual lights are different (if they're not still the horrid sodium ones, that is).
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:44 AM   #96
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Have you got a Lamp post fetish martin?
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:50 AM   #97
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No.

Why?
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Old August 14th, 2005, 12:53 AM   #98
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Now look at this old pic showing the rail alignment towards Snow Hill prior to the reinstatement of the trains through the tunnel in 1987.....




Some of our current rail lines are as overgrown with greenery as it appears here!
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Old August 14th, 2005, 01:04 AM   #99
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No.

Why?
just wondered

You're coming up with the goods on this thread Martin, did you take that pic above?
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No - it was taken from an old Brum rail website:

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...m_moor_street/
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