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Old December 7th, 2008, 06:40 PM   #81
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Planning has become uber iterative and PPP (whatever their forms) has become the norm. Good in theory. But in practice, local authorities should get more power to impose timetables and conditions to developers. Otherwise we'll be too much reliant on companies search for super profitability.

These developments are still viable (and by far), profits are just inferior to what they expect.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #82
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so who are the various govt depts and developers we can hold responsible. that's the info i'm after
Interesting recent report on the peninsula and its development ( or lack of).

http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/n...08/0708338.pdf

And this article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/mar/30/dome
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Old December 7th, 2008, 07:53 PM   #83
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a couple from today



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Old December 10th, 2008, 05:17 PM   #84
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http://www.docklands24.co.uk/content...A47%3A14%3A710

Peninsula boss admits building has stalled
MARINA THOMAS
09 December 2008

Greenwich Peninsula

BUILDING on the Greenwich Peninsula has stopped as a result of the economic crisis with the chief executive admitting the massive regeneration project has 'stalled'.

Work had paused on building 229 new riverside homes before the Greenwich Peninsula chief executive Andrew Storey said the £5 billion project had slowed at the recent Thames Gateway Forum.

Storey said: "We do have some fundamental issues with the development over the next few years. Is Greenwich Peninsula on track? Conceptually it is on track, but practically it has stalled slightly."

A spokeswoman for Greenwich Peninsula said his comments had been blown out of proportion and the scheme was still on track.

"Greenwich Peninsula is an important scheme for London that will take 20 years to deliver, and flexibility is therefore built into the model to cope with not one but two economic cycles during its gestation.

"The most important thing is that the Peninsula is delivered well and we remain absolutely committed to creating a vibrant and sustainable new district for London.

"In line with similar organisations at the moment we are reviewing the pipeline and considering the many available options to best control future delivery through this uncertain market," she added.

Greenwich Peninsula added there was more than £180m of construction currently underway with infrastructure work, new academic facilities and the first phase of the commercial district all in progress.

Bellway Homes, developers of the 229 new homes currently on hold, said it hoped building work would start up again in the new year.

"Due to the very difficult market conditions we stopped construction recently but hope things will continue again soon," said a Bellway Homes spokesman.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 06:00 PM   #85
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"Greenwich Peninsula is an important scheme for London that will take 20 years to deliver, and flexibility is therefore built into the model to cope with not one but two economic cycles during its gestation.
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But executives working on developing the land now say there is no certainty the Treasury will receive its windfall once the project is completed in the next 15 years.
do they really think no one reads their own press releases. morons.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 06:11 PM   #86
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I love this comment

"20 years to deliver, and flexibility is therefore built into the model to cope with not one but two economic cycles during its gestation."

Good job they are planning on two economic cycles as they have completely wasted the first one by building F-all.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 07:24 PM   #87
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Love this particular piece of double-speak as well;

"Conceptually it is on track, but practically it has stalled slightly."

Conceptually I'd like to believe their bull-shit excuse for years of inaction but practically....
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Old December 10th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #88
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And now, can the public say something? are they any means to force them build?
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Old December 11th, 2008, 09:49 AM   #89
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Why havent we got any nationalised housebuilders?? We still have a housing shortgage and NOTHING is getting built... even at the height of the boom enough wsnt being built.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #90
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just to put things in perspective, France has built 380 000 new homes in 2007 while the figure for Spain was 750 000. That makes 1 house for every 157 inhabitants for France and 1 for 55 in Spain.

Britain, at the peak of its house building boom only managed 160 000. A rather low 1 for 350 britons.

What is wrong? and don't tell me the planning system is the only culprit.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 01:42 PM   #91
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Britain, at the peak of its house building boom only managed 160 000. A rather low 1 for 350 britons.

What is wrong? and don't tell me the planning system is the only culprit.
Well Manuel its all very simple - in Britain every Joe has a say.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 02:07 PM   #92
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Well Manuel its all very simple - in Britain every Joe has a say.
Maybe, but I was more thinking of a few joes are left having their hands full of $$ while giving a shit on how normal people struggle to find decent and affordable homes.
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just to put things in perspective, France has built 380 000 new homes in 2007 while the figure for Spain was 750 000. That makes 1 house for every 157 inhabitants for France and 1 for 55 in Spain.

Britain, at the peak of its house building boom only managed 160 000. A rather low 1 for 350 britons.
gosh that's an interesting statistic. it appears the system here is not working properly - isn't it something to do with a few large companies having a stranglehold on the market keeping prices artificially high?
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People in this country need to understand one simple thing - a house is a home not a ******* business!
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just to put things in perspective, France has built 380 000 new homes in 2007 while the figure for Spain was 750 000. That makes 1 house for every 157 inhabitants for France and 1 for 55 in Spain.

Britain, at the peak of its house building boom only managed 160 000. A rather low 1 for 350 britons.

What is wrong? and don't tell me the planning system is the only culprit.
I agree the numbers for the UK are too low but Spain is in serious economic difficulties exactly because they built too many homes. Most of the countries growth came from the construction industry in recent years and this has now come to a dramatic halt. I guess the happy medium is somewhere in the middle.

From what I can see the problem in the UK is largely due to the planning process. Where my parents live in Sussex, the government several years back dictated that several tens of thousands of new homes had to be built in the district and since then the local council and local residents have been going through the courts to stop it, and actually have now succeeded.

The government has to be realistic of where to build and maybe should have some sort of fast-track process if it is on say brown field sites (do they already?).
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I agree the numbers for the UK are too low but Spain is in serious economic difficulties exactly because they built too many homes. Most of the countries growth came from the construction industry in recent years and this has now come to a dramatic halt. I guess the happy medium is somewhere in the middle.

From what I can see the problem in the UK is largely due to the planning process. Where my parents live in Sussex, the government several years back dictated that several tens of thousands of new homes had to be built in the district and since then the local council and local residents have been going through the courts to stop it, and actually have now succeeded.

The government has to be realistic of where to build and maybe should have some sort of fast-track process if it is on say brown field sites (do they already?).
It is has long and tortuous to build in France. No frankly, the responsibility is share between national legislations, local authorities and private developers. With the biggest share for greedy developers that prefer buying land, sitting on it thus reducing competition and inflating prices.
The current financial system give them incentive to stock land assets.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 11:26 PM   #97
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It looks like Jacobs Webber are working on one of the blocks here at Meridian Gardens:



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This site would be one of the first plots to be developed within the Meridian Gardens area of the Greenwich Peninsula. The site is located on the eastern waterfront facing Canary Wharf. The residential development would sit on a podium of retail and car parking in order to avoid the high water table with landscaped gardens terracing down towards the waterfront park. The massing was prescribed by strict master planning guidelines. Each wing will have two winter gardens that open on to large landscaped terraces over looking the river.
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Old December 27th, 2008, 11:33 PM   #98
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The western waterfront faces CW, surely?
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Yeah I think they've got their east and west mixed up. You can see the dome behind these in the render so it must be on the western waterfront, facing CW. Presumably its a neighbour for the Patel Taylor tower, although Jacobs Webber seem to have felt a little more creatively constrained by the masterplan massing. Perhaps a bit of inspiration was missing here.
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Yes, "prescribed by strict master planning" sounded a bit... loaded.
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