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Old July 25th, 2008, 02:10 PM   #1
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Kidbrooke Village £1bn regeneration | Greenwich | U/C


Kidbrooke Regeneration
Kidbrooke SE3
Greenwich
Official Website: http://www.kidbrookeregeneration.info/
Greenwich Council:http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwic...eas/Kidbrooke/
Developer: http://www.berkeleygroup.co.uk/prope...brooke-village
Architect: http://www.lifschutzdavidson.com/

CABE/Design Council | Design Review (Masterplan & Phase 1): http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...oke-masterplan
CABE/Design Council | Design Review (Phase 2): http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...brooke-phase-2
CABE/Design Council | Design Review (Phase 3): http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/our-...ntre-phase-3-/
CABE/Design Council | Design Review (Phase 4): http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/our-...e-4-greenwich/

Planning Application (Phase 2): http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov....ystemkey=62518
Planning Application (Phase 4): http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov....ystemkey=68991

Sustainability Statement (Masterplan): http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov....nts/7844_5.pdf
Sustainability Statement (Phase 4): http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov....s/44999_76.pdf




Development Facts
£1billion
70 Acres
Demolition of the Ferrier Estate
Construction of 4,398 new mixed-tenure homes
Creation of 2,000 new jobs
Construction of Phase 1 started in Spring 2009



Ferrier Estate
Kidbrooke SE3
Greenwich
One of London's largest housing estates. Only smaller than Aylesbury Estate
Composed of eleven highrise blocks, and dozens of mid/low rise blocks
Completed in 1972


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Kidbrooke upon completion

Status: Demolition on some blocks has begun. Masterplan was approved by Greenwich Council in April 2009.

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Phase 1
City Point
Status: Complete
Construction: 2009-2012

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Phase 2
Blackheath Quarter
Status: Under construction.









Phase 3
Village Centre
Status: Approved







Phase 4
Meridian Gate
Status: Under Construction







Context
Major regeneration projects in South East London

Aylesbury Regeneration: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=859444
Elephant & Castle Regeneration: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=496579
Greenwich Peninsula Regeneration:https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=632984
Kidbrooke Regeneration: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=670786
Lewisham Regeneration: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=888804


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Old July 25th, 2008, 02:20 PM   #2
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The project centres around the demolition of the Ferrier Estate, which is similar to the Tavy Bridge Estate in South Thamesmead and Aylesbury Estate in Walworth.

Ferrier Estate
* Built across 76 acres.
* Completed in 1970.
* Contains over 1,600 units.
* Home to over 6,000 in its heyday.

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Upon Completion:

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Old July 25th, 2008, 05:03 PM   #3
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Looks good to me. Looks like there will be some midrises, good to see. Masterplans are exciting IMO.
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Good,this area is an absolute shithole.

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Old July 25th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #5
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The new proposal, in terms of massing/blocks, doesn't look much different to what's there already.

I'd need to see some proper renders, but it looks like rather than trying to erase the mistakes of the current estate, they are just going to store up the same old problems for 20 years time.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 10:56 PM   #6
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£750million?!

I think for that money it's absolutly ugly project
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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:38 PM   #7
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you havent even seen it
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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:55 PM   #8
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The new proposal, in terms of massing/blocks, doesn't look much different to what's there already.

I'd need to see some proper renders, but it looks like rather than trying to erase the mistakes of the current estate, they are just going to store up the same old problems for 20 years time.
my thoughts exactly. far too many repetitive blocks that clearly didnt work here in the 1st place.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 03:41 PM   #9
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Just rebuilding what it there already?

Anyway, those photos of the current estate under construction, it all looks very shiney and new doesn't it!
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Old July 27th, 2008, 12:54 AM   #10
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again the new development has too much green space that will become unused and a wasteland.. Those architectual sketches so loved in the proffesion are not really telling me much apart from being very vague.
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Old July 29th, 2008, 02:59 AM   #11
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The regeneration boards which have popped up around the estate:

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Old July 29th, 2008, 10:41 AM   #12
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Any info on green credentials? By how much do the dwellings exceed Part L?
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Old July 29th, 2008, 05:35 PM   #13
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Let a couple of days go by and you probably won't even recognise that billboard, trust me, look at it's little neighbour to see what i'm talking about.
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The new proposal, in terms of massing/blocks, doesn't look much different to what's there already.
Good. A lot of 60s/70s planning was very good, and the big aerial shot certainly shows that this is a well laid-out estate. If the buildings themselves are attractive then this could be a great project - and they're bound to look better than the current ones.
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Old July 30th, 2008, 02:13 AM   #15
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The regeneration boards which have popped up around the estate:

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I like this pic.

There is something quite sad seeing it contrasted to the images of when the estate was built - everything looked futuristic and shiny, it must have seemed so advanced considering what people had come from. Then fast-forward a few decades and it's a crumbling wreck and a social failure.

The massive sign signalling the regeneration says it all - big, shiny, modern, optimistic, out with the old - in with the new; it all seems strangely familiar.
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The new proposal, in terms of massing/blocks, doesn't look much different to what's there already.

I'd need to see some proper renders, but it looks like rather than trying to erase the mistakes of the current estate, they are just going to store up the same old problems for 20 years time.
I agree with this too.

To give an old fashioned anti tower Conservative view point (which is always popular on this forum...) this area does not need towers, but houses.

I can't say I'm that familiar with this particular area, I've been there once (I think) a long time ago and have no intention of ever going back. But I do know people who have come from this area, and its always been rough. Whether 100 years ago, 50 years ago or today.

People in these areas need to live in proper communities, not 21st century council estates dominated by towers. People need their own houses. I'm not talking about building huge detached 5 bedroom houses, but small terraced or semis and most important of all they should have their own gardens, not communal spaces.

People need their own space. When they have that, most will then want to look after that space and have pride in it. From that they will want bigger and better things for themselves. Give people a chance to take ownership of their lives including the right to purchase their own homes, and most people will.

Under the current proposals this is simply repeating the mistakes of the past time and time again. All it does is trap generations of people into a cycle that they can not get out of.

These lefty planners need to be put against a wall and shot for these poor plans. Or better still, throw them off one of their precious towers. It's not as if the lifts will work for too long in these towers once they're built. I can't imagine what it must be like taking bags of shopping or young kids up multiple flights of steps.

Houses are needed, not towers.
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Old July 31st, 2008, 11:55 AM   #17
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Hmmm I'm not sure if it's just a strictly tower problem - I'd go towards a character point of view. Instead of looking like a tower mass production factory if every one of them was given it's own identity and character quite different from the others, and same with the garden areas then perhaps residents can feel like they have their own spaces much more to take pride in instead of feeling that they're just another part of the big grey jigsaw. Mix shops and services in with the residential instead of segregating them.
I do like the central spine path on the concept drawings with the landmarks at each end; I feel it gives a focus to the area which the birds eye photos of the existing situation seem to lack.
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This is a massing of the current estate (for more clarity than the aerial).

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Cutaway of the basic layout:

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Ive been up on the roof of a couple of those shithole blocks the sooner they go the better
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 02:15 AM   #20
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Must nip down to the ferrier and take some snaps before they demolish it all. is there much still to see?
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