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Old January 22nd, 2013, 04:13 PM   #21
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It never was about cars. Cars aren't going anywhere. I suspect anti-freeway sentiments are more about NIMBYism and are anti-growth in general, the same people turn out to protest new apartment buildings and rail transit lines. They want everyone to live in rural suburbia and be self-employed non commuters, or are just "drawbridge" people who move to unspoiled places then hypocritically want to prevent anyone else from coming to their slice of paradise and ruining it.

It is good that destructive urban freeway plans are dead and gone and can only return if they involve tunneling. I'm not against long-distance free roads in remote parts of the US or toll roads in the suburbs though.

What should die and never come back was the government social engineering to force everyone to live in suburbs and drive by subsidizing roads at the expense of transit and using land use planning to mandate all new development be suburban in nature.

I think in the future self-driving robot cars will be commonplace. One advantage of these vehicles is they'd blur the line between owning a vehicle and hailing a taxi, they'd be able to merge and pass another with perfect precision reducing both congestion and making widespread grade seperated roads unnecessary, and they'd valet park themselves making front-door parking unnecessary as well. Essentially, you'd have the convenience of a car but in a form that is compatible with a city center. There would probably still be rush hour transit service of course, just to keep the streets from being completely overflowing with them, and they'd actually benefit transit IMO because they'd solve the last mile problem. You could take a train somewhere and a private vehicle would be at the station for you rather than having to wait forever for a stupid bus to come.

The question is whether we can drop our suburban mindset. The future of cities could either be wonderful, where a robot taxi becomes another transportation option that makes life much easier when you have to bring home groceries or have an appointment on a sunday afternoon when bus service is limited.

It could also be positively dystopian where robot cars are a tool for controlling society. The vehicle loads your profile of places you are and aren't allowed to go, people are shunted between their mass produced suburban living zones and consumer consumption zones in a hermetically sealed bubble. And if cars can drive themselves, just cut out the middle man and make a delivery unit. Now you never have to leave your home. It's safer that way. Soon we'll be like those people in Wall-E :P
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Cars will continue to be important as a transportation between cities, thats what motorways are for. Inner city motorways was never a good idea.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 06:23 PM   #23
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I don't picture cars going away any time soon unless something ends up killing off the human race but I do picture that in the future like in the next 30 to 50 years you might see say 25% to 35% less cars on the road today. But depends on how fast new transit systems grow and how many people use them.
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It never was about cars. Cars aren't going anywhere. I suspect anti-freeway sentiments are more about NIMBYism and are anti-growth in general, the same people turn out to protest new apartment buildings and rail transit lines. They want everyone to live in rural suburbia and be self-employed non commuters, or are just "drawbridge" people who move to unspoiled places then hypocritically want to prevent anyone else from coming to their slice of paradise and ruining it.

It is good that destructive urban freeway plans are dead and gone and can only return if they involve tunneling. I'm not against long-distance free roads in remote parts of the US or toll roads in the suburbs though.

What should die and never come back was the government social engineering to force everyone to live in suburbs and drive by subsidizing roads at the expense of transit and using land use planning to mandate all new development be suburban in nature.

I think in the future self-driving robot cars will be commonplace. One advantage of these vehicles is they'd blur the line between owning a vehicle and hailing a taxi, they'd be able to merge and pass another with perfect precision reducing both congestion and making widespread grade seperated roads unnecessary, and they'd valet park themselves making front-door parking unnecessary as well. Essentially, you'd have the convenience of a car but in a form that is compatible with a city center. There would probably still be rush hour transit service of course, just to keep the streets from being completely overflowing with them, and they'd actually benefit transit IMO because they'd solve the last mile problem. You could take a train somewhere and a private vehicle would be at the station for you rather than having to wait forever for a stupid bus to come.

The question is whether we can drop our suburban mindset. The future of cities could either be wonderful, where a robot taxi becomes another transportation option that makes life much easier when you have to bring home groceries or have an appointment on a sunday afternoon when bus service is limited.

It could also be positively dystopian where robot cars are a tool for controlling society. The vehicle loads your profile of places you are and aren't allowed to go, people are shunted between their mass produced suburban living zones and consumer consumption zones in a hermetically sealed bubble. And if cars can drive themselves, just cut out the middle man and make a delivery unit. Now you never have to leave your home. It's safer that way. Soon we'll be like those people in Wall-E :P
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 07:32 PM   #25
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I would be very afraid of things turning into Wall-E more then the Terminator happening with these automatic driving cars and other things that prevent people from taking responsibility for their actions and to go out and interact with people. Also people don't pay enough attention when driving as of now and turning cars into driving I phones might not be such a good idea for the future.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 12:06 AM   #26
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Will the age of the car ever return?

For better or worse, the age of the car is just beginning.

In China, India, Africa, etc.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 06:02 AM   #27
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I think it's far from over. The only thing changing is that cars are becoming more efficient, and technologically advanced to the point of having an auto-drive feature probably commonplace in as little as another 2 decades (possibly sooner).

As already said you have vast swaths of the planet where cars aren't yet commonplace among at least half of the population. So the total number of cars will increase exponentially for decades to come. However, urbanity slowly moving towards multiple forms of transportation, and smart planning means that auto dependency will slowly become a thing of the past. I like to look at it as the automobile becoming more of a luxurious item (say like owning an TV) than a necessity in the future. More people won't need it, but they will have one for whenever they wished to travel or simply get around town.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:39 PM   #28
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But what if in some point in the future some new fuel is developed...
Makes no pollution, is really cheap, easy to buy etc
Chances for that are slim. And even then car only designs are inherently pedestrian hostile as cars, no matter how they are propelled need amounts of space that are prohibitive to designs that are acceptable for pedestrian layouts.

In other words, if you don't want a city where you are doomed to use the car or be stranded, you can't have a return of the car age.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 01:07 AM   #29
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Cars aren't going anywhere, but the days of auto-centric developments and planning are coming to an end.
Couldn't agree more that's the essencial part of this topic
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Old January 24th, 2013, 02:15 AM   #30
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The cars age is far to be over, it will be over when we find another vehicle capable of give us the same benefits that the car and some advantages, like flying or something else (in one or two centurys). Meanwhile, a great step pending is to use electric motors, cleaner, more efficient and healthier for us than the oil-ones. Another step to avoid the traffic and many other issues, is to make the cars significative smaller and, as it was stated, make them self-driving.

The public transportation is good but doesn't cover all the needs, specially in the country.
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The cars age is far to be over, it will be over when we find another vehicle capable of give us the same benefits that the car and some advantages, like flying or something else (in one or two centurys). Meanwhile, a great step pending is to use electric motors, cleaner, more efficient and healthier for us than the oil-ones. Another step to avoid the traffic and many other issues, is to make the cars significative smaller and, as it was stated, make them self-driving.

The public transportation is good but doesn't cover all the needs, specially in the country.
maybe teleportation devices?
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #32
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The cars age is far to be over, it will be over when we find another vehicle capable of give us the same benefits that the car and some advantages, like flying or something else (in one or two centurys). Meanwhile, a great step pending is to use electric motors, cleaner, more efficient and healthier for us than the oil-ones. Another step to avoid the traffic and many other issues, is to make the cars significative smaller and, as it was stated, make them self-driving.

The public transportation is good but doesn't cover all the needs, specially in the country.
What we need is not some new vehicle, but rather more walkable and urban living arrangements.
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While it is impossible for car traffic to be eliminated entirely, an excellent transportation network for a major city can consist of freeways and arterials; airports; and light rail/tram/metro systems, commuter rail, and intercity rail.
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I think the biggest enemy of the car is urbanization itself. When commute times start exceeding 45 minutes, the outer limit of sprawl becomes visible. Not many people want to waste their time commuting.
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I think the biggest enemy of the car is urbanization itself. When commute times start exceeding 45 minutes, the outer limit of sprawl becomes visible. Not many people want to waste their time commuting.
And the biggest enemy of urbanization is the car

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It depends on the country. Some countries have a culture of cars whilst other more forward thinking countries are creating solutions to reduce car usage.
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As a car lover I will never accept the death of private personal transport which you can drive your self. I will continue driving as long as it is possible.

In urban areas I can use public transport if it is good but I would still want to cruise along country roads in my own car.
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From what I have seen is that cars are only really seen as bad in an environmental way. If there was a way to have cars that didn't make any pollution at all like the few electric cars there then maybe people would look at them in a more positive way
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Whhen did the age of the car end?
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Old June 11th, 2013, 11:29 AM   #40
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Whhen did the age of the car end?
When it became 'good' to downgrade roads, and replace motorway proposals with rail routes instead...Both of those have happened near me.
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