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Old May 4th, 2018, 10:51 PM   #1081
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Old May 4th, 2018, 10:53 PM   #1082
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Old May 4th, 2018, 10:54 PM   #1083
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Oh no not this again I liked the decent renovation posts better
I think that old building was really quite beautiful. At least the replacement isnt that ugly.
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Old May 4th, 2018, 10:57 PM   #1084
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They of course had to decide to demolish the best looking* building in the row.

*And best preserved I would guess as they other looks like they might have been stripped bare of ornamentation.
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Old May 4th, 2018, 11:02 PM   #1085
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I noticed that, too. I hope it's just the bad quality visualisation. This really is a scandal that needs to be stopped now!
Vienna is getting worse in this regard any day. Totally ruining its cityscape.

Apparently they've also torn down the old building next to it, the white one at the centre:


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Unbelievable.
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Old May 4th, 2018, 11:12 PM   #1086
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They of course had to decide to demolish the best looking* building in the row.

*And best preserved I would guess as they other looks like they might have been stripped bare of ornamentation.

True!



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Old May 4th, 2018, 11:18 PM   #1087
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In the northern outskirts // Brünner Straße 126 // 21st District [completed 2017]









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Old May 5th, 2018, 12:09 AM   #1088
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The new 'modern' building looks like zero effort was put into its aesthetics. Like why?
Vienna should consider quality glass, it can be transparent or reflective, and steel elements, lets say various ornaments made of steel which can be very basic like simple geometrical forms, or whatever, that doesn't necessarily have to be expensive.
Previously it was stated that finance is not an issue, but the more I look at the residential projects, the more I realize that yes they do cut on finance. The beauty of modern architecture is that you can definitely have a nice building that doesn't come with an astronomic price. I think Vienna should do more efforts in constructing economically wise architecture indeed, but in the same time it should take care of the building's aesthetics with just a few touches here or there. What can I say, may the future bring better projects to this city.
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Old May 5th, 2018, 01:45 AM   #1089
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Old May 5th, 2018, 01:52 AM   #1090
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Right across the street another rooftop project:

"Lehndorfer Hof"

1900 vs. 2017



The new roof:



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Old May 5th, 2018, 02:59 AM   #1091
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There are plans for further demolitions in the north of the 3rd district:

Landstraßer Gürtel 17

Ungargasse 25

Baumgasse 71

Hetzgasse 8
God I wish I didn't love beautiful architecture so much. These are lovely, especially the first and last one. Such a shame.

That said, unless I mistranslated it, I found an article dated to last November that says the demolition on Hetzgasse 8 has been outlawed by the courts.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/hetzg...ss/298.295.115
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Old May 5th, 2018, 08:49 AM   #1092
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What really annoys me about this one is they could have literally replaced the ugly two buildings to the left of it, but no, they just had to demolish the nicer one to the right of them.
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Old May 5th, 2018, 12:25 PM   #1093
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I have one question ...
Is Vienna out of its freaking mind? It seems like they is not even trying to preserve its old, historical buildings. All i see are some beautiful old buildings worth a reconstruction or a rehabilitation beeing torn down and replaced by some cheap, modernistic crap ... kind of sad to see.
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Yeh it seems almost as though there isnt even any kind of modern architectural conservation laws in place in most of these areas? Its the exact same kind of relaxed attitude that left many american cities with so little historical architecture remaining
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Old May 5th, 2018, 01:34 PM   #1095
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Yeh it seems almost as though there isnt even any kind of modern architectural conservation laws in place in most of these areas? Its the exact same kind of relaxed attitude that left many american cities with so little historical architecture remaining
With all due respect, when Christopher Columbus first set foot in the Americas and the cities you think about were nothing but plains, Vienna was already a major city full of remarkable buildings:

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With all due respect, when Christopher Columbus first set foot in the Americas and the cities you think about were nothing but plains, Vienna was already a major city full of remarkable buildings:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._098v99r_1.png
How is that related to my point? Yes thats true, american cities grew very quickly in a very short space of time but still had some really nice architecture from late 19th and early 20th C that was largely demolished in many american cities over the course of the rest of the 20th an 21st C
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Old May 5th, 2018, 01:47 PM   #1097
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I have no problem with graffiti but thats not graffiti. Thats malicious vandalism
I do have a problem with it if it's allowed on buildings like these..
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How is that related to my point? Yes thats true, american cities grew very quickly in a very short space of time but still had some really nice architecture from late 19th and early 20th C that was largely demolished in many american cities over the course of the rest of the 20th an 21st C
It relates to your point thusly: The Viennese can always say (and indeed, that's what they do) "we demolish our buildings from 1900 but we take great care of our buildings from 1400, 1500, 1600, 1700". The Americans can't say that.
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Old May 5th, 2018, 10:23 PM   #1099
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Do they actually say 'we demolish 19th c buildings'?? So all these demolitions are some kind of point or something?
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Do they actually say 'we demolish 19th c buildings'?? So all these demolitions are some kind of point or something?
Close enough: http://www.marschler.at/wien-1900/22...1-hopfhaus.htm
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Antwort des Bundesdenkmalamtes vom 9. Oktober 2014
Sehr geehrter Herr Marschler!

Vielen Dank für Ihre Emailanfrage bezüglich der Denkmalwürdigkeit des Objekts 1220 Wien, Donaufelderstraße 241, des sogenannten Hopf-Hauses.

Bereits im Jahr 1996 prüfte das Bundesdenkmalamt die Denkmalwürdigkeit des Hopf-Hauses und stellt in einer zusammenfassenden Stellungnahme fest, dass dem Objekt nicht die vom Gesetz geforderte historische, künstlerische oder kulturelle Bedeutung für die österreichische Denkmallandschaft zukommt, die ein öffentliches Interesse an der Unterschutzstellung eines Baudenkmals begründen muss.

Aus gegebenem Anlass und Bezug nehmend auf mehrere Anfragen hinsichtlich der Denkmalwürdigkeit des Objekts beschäftigte sich das Bundesdenkmalamt erneut mit dem Objekt und kam wiederum zu dem Schluss, dass dem Objekt keine Denkmalwürdigkeit im Sinne des Gesetzes zukommt. Die Unterschutzstellung eines Baudenkmals stellt einen erheblichen Eingriff in das Eigentumsrecht dar und bedarf daher einer schlüssigen Begründung im Sinne des Denkmalschutzgesetzes. Dieses zielt bei der Unterschutzstellung eines Einzeldenkmals nicht auf die Erhaltung stadträumlicher Strukturen sondern allein auf die oben angesprochenen Qualitäten des Einzeldenkmals, dessen Verlust eine Beeinträchtigung des österreichischen Kulturgutbestandes in seiner Gesamtsicht hinsichtlich Qualität, ausreichender Vielzahl, Vielfalt und Verteilung bedeuten würde. So sehr es sich beim Hopf-Haus um ein gut erhaltenes Beispiel der österreichischen Architektur nach 1900 handeln mag, die besonderen Qualitäten die seine Unterschutzstellung rechtfertigen würden, kommen ihm aber nicht zu.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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For those who don't speak German: this official letter says that the status of the building has been examined twice by the federal commission and that it has twice been found as not worthy of preservation. It can't get more deliberate than that.
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