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Old September 8th, 2014, 06:14 PM   #21
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That's right, the traffic around the roundabout can be quite heavy, but in general, I think it works quite well. Any ideas of how the Swiss Cottage roads might be redesigned?
None whatsoever I'm afraid and I suspect it can't be done because this is one of, if not the, major north south inways to Central London. It doesn't make for a pleasant environment however.
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Just refused at Planning Committee, against officer recommendation, on the grounds that its height, bulk and massing would have an overly negative impact on surrounding conservation areas. Also on grounds on too great a density on the site. There were a lot of local people present, representing the 99.6% of members of the public who wrote letters of objection. The 0.4% of letters in favour were not represented. It will likely go to appeal
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Old September 12th, 2014, 09:51 AM   #23
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Thousands of residents opposing the construction of what would be one of the highest towers in Camden have seen a significant victory tonight after councillors chose to reject planning permission for the project.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 09:56 AM   #24
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This is not a bad design, its a shame about the brown and yellow cladding down the side of the tower, which is pretty horrible and makes the whole design look cheap. As for the council turning down the design, Swiss cottage is effectively one big council estate, so anything would be better than what is currently built there.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 11:17 AM   #25
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It's also a very smart area dense with residential conservation areas. The gyratory is terrible but plans are simmering away to rationalise the traffic and recover more road space for pedestrians. CABE and various design reviews were happy with the tower design and didn't consider it cheap. It would have been clad in brick and reconstituted stone.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 11:25 AM   #26
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It sounds like a good quality development. The tower itself is pretty good in my opinion. But the lower rise element looks so similiar to other low rise buildings being designed and built at the moment. It looks more like a college than residential. I wonder if there's any chance the developer will look to locate the scheme elsewhere?
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Old September 12th, 2014, 03:05 PM   #27
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i wonder, are we seeing outrage driven in part by the fact the flats were only available to rent. projects like that, although they provide housing, do not provide supply for owner occupiers so help drive up prices further... sticking 150 new rented apartments in an area isn't good for community. home owners are stakeholders in communities in the way that transient renters are not.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 03:40 PM   #28
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i wonder, are we seeing outrage driven in part by the fact the flats were only available to rent. projects like that, although they provide housing, do not provide supply for owner occupiers so help drive up prices further... sticking 150 new rented apartments in an area isn't good for community. home owners are stakeholders in communities in the way that transient renters are not.
Not all renters are that transient these days, and the idea of these private rental schemes is to make renting a more long term option by removing the uncertainty of a landlord wanting to sell up, etc. A lot of these companies are providing 3 year leases as standard now too. You almost make it sound like a block of student digs.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #29
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watch these schemes legislated out of existence post 2015. labour did a white policy on their effects in 2012. you are not aware of retaliatory eviction are you? the present law is so weak that a 3 year lease isn't worth the paper it's written on. until the law changes there is no security of tenure for any tenant. the largest cause of homeless in this country is actually the retaliatory eviction.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #30
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watch these schemes legislated out of existence post 2015. labour did a white policy on their effects in 2012. you are not aware of retaliatory eviction are you? the present law is so weak that a 3 year lease isn't worth the paper it's written on. until the law changes there is no security of tenure for any tenant. the largest cause of homeless in this country is actually the retaliatory eviction.
Yeah I am aware of that and yeah there does need to be legislation against it, but these PRS companies will be sensitive to the effects of bad public relations, and they will know they will become a feature of articles in national newspapers if they do something like that. That's obviously no where near as strong as legislation but at least it provides more safe guards than with some random no-name landlord who owns a couple of flats. I don't see Labour getting rid of PRS as it will restrict supply. Effectively a lot of what housing associations do now is PRS - have you seen some of the high rents charged by Peabody, etc.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 01:46 PM   #31
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Developers seek to overturn rejection of Swiss Cottage tower proposal
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The developer behind controversial plans to build what would be one of Camden’s tallest residential towers has appealed against a decision by the council to throw out the £100million scheme.

Essential Living this week submitted an appeal to the government’s planning inspectorate to overturn September’s decision, despite some 3,000 people having signed a petition opposing the proposals.

The scheme sees the current building at 100 Avenue Road in Swiss Cottage torn down and replaced with a development which includes a 24-storey residential tower. It would provide 184 flats.

The appeal to the planning inspectorate will see a public inquiry now take place into the scheme.

Residents and parties affected are invited to make comments on the planning inspectorate website (available once the appeal has been verified).

A spokesman for Essential Living said: “We confirm that an appeal against the decision of the London Borough of Camden to refuse our regeneration proposals for 100 Avenue Road has been lodged with the Planning Inspectorate. The proposals will now be considered by an independent Inspector at a Public Inquiry.”
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Old July 11th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #32
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Developers and opponents set to meet at public inquiry into Swiss Cottage skyscraper plan
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A public inquiry into a £100million plan to build a soaring 24-storey block of flats in the heart of Swiss Cottage will start on Tuesday – as objectors claim anyone moving in will face annual rent bills of up to £40,000.

The nine-day hearing, prompted after Camden Council’s planning committee threw out the scheme in September, will hear evidence from developers Essential Living explaining why they believe a Whitehall planning inspector should overturn the Town Hall’s decision.

The project would see a 1980s office block called 100 Avenue Road – formerly home to the Ham and High newspaper – demolished and replaced with two blocks of housing. One would be 24 storeys and be used for homes for private rental. Another would be seven storeys and include homes for affordable rent. The new blocks would also include new restaurants, shops and a new home for The Winch community centre.

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Old July 11th, 2015, 01:46 PM   #33
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Some of the objectors complaints are laughable, apart from the usual stealing daylight and casting shadows it brings out the can be seen from a conservation area wild card.

Love this one,it implies all the areas defenseless babies and OAP's will be deafened and blasted with pollution if they sit in the square!!!

"The plans create a massive gap between the tower and side blocks, which will funnel all the noise and pollution from traffic on the Swiss Cottage gyratory right into the heart of the space, damaging all users from babies and toddlers to older people like myself using the area to relax and get away from the noise"

Not sure how they have worked out rent will be over £3k a month either.
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Old July 11th, 2015, 02:57 PM   #34
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I don't think the language/arguments espoused against certain projects has ever reached the levels of ludicrosity that they do now.

Of course there's criticisms that can be made against this, Blossom Street, Whitechapel Square, the Goodsyard London et al, but the arguments against them too often verge on the ridiculous.

It's worth noting that 18 of the reasons Camden gave in rejecting this proposal have now been reduced to just 2.
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Old July 12th, 2015, 02:45 PM   #35
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I love tall buildings, but only in Central London, not in the suburbs.

There's nothing pretty about tall buildings in a residential suburb.
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Old July 12th, 2015, 06:15 PM   #36
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I love tall buildings, but only in Central London, not in the suburbs.

There's nothing pretty about tall buildings in a residential suburb.
This is what comes to my mind when someone evokes an image of a 'residential suburb':




This is the vicinity of 100 Avenue Road:

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Old July 13th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #37
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I love tall buildings, but only in Central London, not in the suburbs.

There's nothing pretty about tall buildings in a residential suburb.
Swiss Cottage isn't/shouldn't be a "suburb"
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Old July 13th, 2015, 02:00 PM   #38
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Honestly this debate has and will always be grossly biased. This is a pro skyscraper forum and as such highrises are always favourable to low rises when taken in the context of zone 2 which Swiss Cottage is situated within. Trying to convince forumers on a pro skyscraper forum that highrises are not always preferable in some locations is the equivalent to trying to push a piano up a chimney.
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The picture speaks for itself - the whole place is a mix of Mid Rise offices and apartments.
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Old July 13th, 2015, 02:25 PM   #40
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Honestly this debate has and will always be grossly biased. This is a pro skyscraper forum and as such highrises are always favourable to low rises when taken in the context of zone 2 which Swiss Cottage is situated within. Trying to convince forumers on a pro skyscraper forum that highrises are not always preferable in some locations is the equivalent to trying to push a piano up a chimney.
The debate isn't grossly biased. Projects here are judged by their merits. Users of this forum are not so biased and polar as to support any tower proposal, as implied.

Every user here would agree that 'highrises are not always preferable in some locations'. This forum includes a range of opinion with respect to highrises and their appropriateness with respect to location.
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