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Old July 13th, 2015, 03:55 PM   #41
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This is about the website in general, not necessarily Swiss Cottage. Skyscrapercity posters by & large are predisposed to see most tall developments as an improvement on any post 1918 buildings they are set to replace, you only have to look at the amount of praise given to towers judged purely on ambiguous renders. There is also a significant swathe of opinion here that loves 'skyscrapers' but hate even the best quality post war modernist tower- which I always find ironic given that they were the original high rises and until recently made up the majority of anything above the tenth floor.

It's this presumption that development is inherently good that is worrying as a lot of what is getting built in Britain is not that great. People are right to pick up on the cheap cladding we see so much of, and I'm glad the London forum is starting to take gentrification more seriously. But there are plenty of schemes that are hyped up because people are more excited about new projects rather than more boring refurbishment schemes. The Shell complex would be one example.
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Opposition groups never ever mention the architecture, or the cladding.

In your sweeping generalisation of this forum you're also missing that the NIMBY groups also have tunnel vision and don't even question design merit - in fact original design is nearly always batted down in London and then people complain that the architecture is uninspired or too wacky.
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Opposition groups never ever mention the architecture, or the cladding.

In your sweeping generalisation of this forum you're also missing that the NIMBY groups also have tunnel vision and don't even question design merit
That sounds like whataboutery, given that I've made no mention of NIMBY groups or even this proposal. I'm well aware of the silliness of some of their claims particularly their downplaying the fact that their area is already awash with tower blocks- it's famous for it. That doesn't give Skyscrapercity a pass for over-exaggerating the quality of proposals or the positive effect they might have on an area.

In any case my original post was in sympathy with Mr Cladding versus SE9's defence of SSC users
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Old July 13th, 2015, 05:29 PM   #44
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That sounds like whataboutery, given that I've made no mention of NIMBY groups or even this proposal. I'm well aware of the silliness of some of their claims particularly their downplaying the fact that their area is already awash with tower blocks- it's famous for it. That doesn't give Skyscrapercity a pass for over-exaggerating the quality of proposals or the positive effect they might have on an area.

In any case my original post was in sympathy with Mr Cladding versus SE9's defence of SSC users
In my defence I never intended to attack any member , the point I tried to make was that a pro skyscraper forum is hardly going to sympathise with the concerns of anti skyscraper groups.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 01:09 AM   #45
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This is about the website in general, not necessarily Swiss Cottage. Skyscrapercity posters by & large are predisposed to see most tall developments as an improvement on any post 1918 buildings they are set to replace, you only have to look at the amount of praise given to towers judged purely on ambiguous renders. There is also a significant swathe of opinion here that loves 'skyscrapers' but hate even the best quality post war modernist tower- which I always find ironic given that they were the original high rises and until recently made up the majority of anything above the tenth floor.

It's this presumption that development is inherently good that is worrying as a lot of what is getting built in Britain is not that great. People are right to pick up on the cheap cladding we see so much of, and I'm glad the London forum is starting to take gentrification more seriously. But there are plenty of schemes that are hyped up because people are more excited about new projects rather than more boring refurbishment schemes. The Shell complex would be one example.
Again the sweeping generalisation that users here are blindly pro-development and pro-highrise. Most come to this forum to discuss and chart the progress of developments in London. Forumers here judge individual projects by their merits, not solely by 'ambiguous renders'. It's exhibited in the wide range of opinions expressed here. It's expressed by the fact that there's many highrise proposals or new developments that receive an overwhelmingly negative response from forum users.

Your assertion that "people here presume that development is inherently good" doesn't hold water, considering the general forum consensus on projects like the Odeon West End or the King's College Strand. Many projects draw a diverse range of opinion, from the Garden Bridge to 22 Bishopsgate. Concerning 'hype' for refurbishment schemes, the regeneration of King's Cross (which includes the rehabilitation of many derelict buildings) is perhaps the most universally admired development in the London forum.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 01:28 AM   #46
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Again the sweeping generalisation that users here are blindly pro-development and pro-highrise. Most come to this forum to discuss and chart the progress of developments in London. Forumers here judge individual projects by their merits, not solely by 'ambiguous renders'. It's exhibited in the wide range of opinions expressed here. It's expressed by the fact that there's many highrise proposals or new developments that receive an overwhelmingly negative response from forum users.

Your assertion that "people here presume that development is inherently good" doesn't hold water, considering the general forum consensus on projects like the Odeon West End or the King's College Strand. Many projects draw a diverse range of opinion, from the Garden Bridge to 22 Bishopsgate. Concerning 'hype' for refurbishment schemes, the regeneration of King's Cross (which includes the rehabilitation of many derelict buildings) is perhaps the most universally admired development in the London forum.
Perhaps the best recent example of the forum being divided is that of Robin Hood Gardens. Many, myself included, favoured keeping the original building rather than redevelopment.

That said our opposition to developments is largely on the basis of:
  • the merits what they are replacing
  • design factor, especially 'random-cladding'
  • lack of affordable housing
  • social questions, such as displacement/decantment and gentrification

What's rare to find on this forum is an opposition to density in general. That's not a bad thing - the forum is almost as much one of density-geeks as skyscraper fans - it's a place for people who want lively cities with people and lives huddled together for the benefits density brings: short commutes, more culture, more productivity, better sustainability, etc.

Which is why few were opposed to this scheme. And few here were opposed to the Kidbrooke tower either despite the fact that in wider architecture circles it got a lot of criticism as being out of place. I can't remember seeing any regular member of the forum calling a scheme 'over development', 'too tall', or 'too dense'. This isn't a bad thing, but we need to recognise that we do have a bias that way. We just need to evangelise density better to those outside our community so more do too.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 02:19 AM   #47
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The Kidbrooke Village tower split opinion locally and in wider architectural circles. Forumers here remarked that they believed the original tower proposal in Kidbrooke to be too tall or out of place, eg:

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Kidbrook Village was doing do so well, the tower really is inappropriate.
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It's a nice enough tower, but unless there's a major change in transport infrastructure it's simply in the wrong place.
Of course, there's many differences between that proposal in Kidbrooke and this in Swiss Cottage.

Forumers here generally consider location and infrastructure when thinking about built density. Which is why the original tower proposal for Kidbrooke received a negative reaction, whereas reaction to schemes like Whitechapel Square was positive.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 06:19 PM   #48
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Mayoral hopeful Zac Goldsmith slams ‘hideous’ Swiss Cottage tower proposal
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London Mayoral candidate Zac Goldsmith MP has backed calls for the government to throw out one of the most controversial housing developments proposed in Camden in recent times – describing developer’s plans as “visually hideous”.

The Tory MP for Richmond Park and North Kingston has joined 3,000 others in publicly opposing the £100million housing development by Essential Living, who are seeking to demolish the current six-storey building at 100 Avenue Road in Swiss Cottage and replace it with a 24-storey tower.

It would provide 184 flats, some of them “affordable”, along with a part-five/part-seven adjoining building providing retail space and a new home for the neighbouring charity The Winch.

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Old July 14th, 2015, 06:24 PM   #49
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Oh give it a few more years and he'll be up there at MIPIM.
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Old July 14th, 2015, 10:54 PM   #50
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A multi-billionnaire trying to stop desperately-needed homes for vaguely normal people being built TEN MILES away from him because he doesn't think they're very pretty.

Welcome to modern Britain, where "we're all in it together".
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Old November 26th, 2015, 05:05 PM   #51
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Government delays verdict on £100m Swiss Cottage tower proposal
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A long-awaited decision into whether to allow the construction of what would be one of Camden’s tallest towers has been delayed by the government.

Communities Secretary Greg Clark was due to give his verdict on a controversial £100million proposal to replace 100 Avenue Road in Swiss Cottage with a 24-storey residential tower by November 30.

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A spokesman added: “The Secretary of State considers that he will not be in a position to reach a decision by the previously advised date because of the need to allow parties time to respond to this letter. We have therefore extended the timetable.”

The new deadline for a decision is now on or before December 29.
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£100m North London build-to-rent tower approved
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The Department for Communities and Local Government has granted Essential Living permission to build a 24-storey block of flats in Swiss Cottage, overruling a previous decision to block the project by Camden Council.

After a two-year planning battle, the £100m build-to-rent scheme at 100 Avenue Road can now go-ahead.

The current 1980s building on the site, which was one of the first to be diagnosed with sick building syndrome, will be demolished to make way for the Theatre Square development.

The scheme, designed by Drid Architects, also includes a low-rise building above Swiss Cottage tube, as well as ground-level retail and leisure space.

Scott Hammond, managing director at Essential Living, said: “The extensive scrutiny of the scheme during the public inquiry has revealed the significant benefits of the scheme in terms of new homes for rent and community space.

“This is the right decision for the revitalisation of Swiss Cottage and we will now commence the work to deliver our proposals which we are calling Theatre Square.”
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Do we have a schedule for the redevelopment of the site?

Not wanting to sound like a NIMBY, the period during which work is underway will make the surrounding roads (especially Winchester Road and Eton Avenue)a complete nightmare. Through in proposed HS2 works on Adelaide Road, and you have a perfect recipe for a right royal mess!
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hahah - got to love that fake retail branding ... A 'More Foods Market' in the (graphic) style of 'Whole Foods Market'. To fool folk into paying highest whack I guess ? "Oh look a new upmarket food hall, that will be so handy!". Wonder what it will be in reality... ?
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This building is fine for the location, goes well with Basil Spence's neighbouring gem.
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The key issue for this development will be to provide vehicular access from Finchley Road / Avenue Road directly (or Adelaide Road). Relying on Winchester Road for access will lead to chaos on Winchester Road, Fellowes Road and Eton Avenue, all of which are narrow, inner streets, not designed to serve a major development like 100 Avenue Road.

Winchester Road already has a lot of traffic from people picking up and dropping off for the Leisure Centre.
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The key issue for this development will be to provide vehicular access from Finchley Road / Avenue Road directly (or Adelaide Road). Relying on Winchester Road for access will lead to chaos on Winchester Road, Fellowes Road and Eton Avenue, all of which are narrow, inner streets, not designed to serve a major development like 100 Avenue Road.

Winchester Road already has a lot of traffic from people picking up and dropping off for the Leisure Centre.
Given its zone 2 location with two tube lines nearby and a multitude of buses do you really need a car ?
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Given its zone 2 location with two tube lines nearby and a multitude of buses do you really need a car ?
There's 13 car parking spaces proposed for 184 flats, so there will be very few car movements. Delivery trucks etc will come, but I doubt many more than for the previous office block.
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