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Old July 16th, 2019, 12:16 PM   #1801
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It would be excellent if Elliot were able to acquire the various parcels of land at Moorfields/Quaker's Alley/Hackins Hey and do a similar office/hotel/residential/restaurant and shop mixed use development. No need to put in good transport facilities there as they already exist. I can't for the life of me figure out why that plot/s remains derelict in such a prime location.
From January there will be no bus service into the business district, so connectivity will be weak with Moorfields as the only public transport option into the area.
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From January there will be no bus service into the business district, so connectivity will be weak with Moorfields as the only public transport option into the area.

What justification, if any, have the wastes of public funds on legs who staff Merseytravel given for this utterly twonk-witted decision ? Presumably they weren't actually able to admit that it has been done solely for the convenience of the privatised local bus duopoly, whose main function is to soak up taxpayer subsidy under a thin disguise of providing a public service, and to whom actual passengers seem to be an irritating inconvenience.
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Old July 16th, 2019, 07:43 PM   #1803
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The planning application number for this is 19F/1789. No documents available yet.
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Old July 16th, 2019, 09:35 PM   #1804
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LCC are taking weeks to validate applications at the moment.
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Old July 17th, 2019, 08:05 PM   #1805
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Documents now available for this: http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/Do...PP&key=1150060
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Old July 17th, 2019, 08:42 PM   #1806
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A max building height of around 50m.
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Old July 17th, 2019, 09:10 PM   #1807
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Whilst it's clear the first building has been done on the cheap, let's just get it done. Nowhere near the quality of no. 4 St Paul's Square but we have to build this ASAP.
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Old July 17th, 2019, 09:14 PM   #1808
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Maybe they're trying to be in-keeping with that crap apartment block they forgot to put wall-ties in about 16 years ago?
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Old July 17th, 2019, 10:16 PM   #1809
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Not too dissimilar to No1 St Pauls Sq which is the Hill Dickson HQ. Although not as striking as No4 it’s quite a solid design.
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Old July 20th, 2019, 05:05 PM   #1810
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The site today:





Looks like a reduced level dig taking shape?:





New entrance installed via Pall Mall:





The substation also taking shape:


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Old July 24th, 2019, 04:38 PM   #1811
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Today. So much potential. Should be Liverpool's Spinningfirelds , although that would take a long, long time to achieve......





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Old July 24th, 2019, 06:00 PM   #1812
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The whole site should effectively be an extension of St Paul's Square/Exchange station building and eventually lead outwards into Pall Mall and towards Tithebarn.

The unused gardens had the effect of cutting off the commercial quarter which had a bad effect on that whole dillapidated area around Pall Mall.
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Old July 24th, 2019, 06:12 PM   #1813
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The whole site should effectively be an extension of St Paul's Square/Exchange station building and eventually lead outwards into Pall Mall and towards Tithebarn.

The unused gardens had the effect of cutting off the commercial quarter which had a bad effect on that whole dillapidated area around Pall Mall.
Long term it would be good if a whole new district sweeps away the low rise slice of suburbia on the south side of Leeds St. This could effectively unlock this area and link better with Scotland Road.

Scotland Road also needs a serious rethink, it's ridiculously barren and excessively wide. Traffic calming and some kind of spatial strategy to cover and 'green' the Kingsway approach is needed in the medium to long term too.
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Old July 24th, 2019, 06:24 PM   #1814
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Long term it would be good if a whole new district sweeps away the low rise slice of suburbia on the south side of Leeds St. This could effectively unlock this area and link better with Scotland Road.

Scotland Road also needs a serious rethink, it's ridiculously barren and excessively wide. Traffic calming and some kind of spatial strategy to cover and 'green' the Kingsway approach is needed in the medium to long term too.
Its a good point, the city centre is sort of land locked on all sides by these bungalows. Its getting to the point the question has to be asked about them. If the city wants to keep expanding further they have to go.
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Old July 24th, 2019, 06:24 PM   #1815
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Long term it would be good if a whole new district sweeps away the low rise slice of suburbia on the south side of Leeds St. This could effectively unlock this area and link better with Scotland Road.

Scotland Road also needs a serious rethink, it's ridiculously barren and excessively wide. Traffic calming and some kind of spatial strategy to cover and 'green' the Kingsway approach is needed in the medium to long term too.
The motorway effect cuts off the city centre at Scotland Road, as does Islington. it's never been rectified. Even Leeds Street really.
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Old July 25th, 2019, 11:31 AM   #1816
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Its a good point, the city centre is sort of land locked on all sides by these bungalows. Its getting to the point the question has to be asked about them. If the city wants to keep expanding further they have to go.
Hearing people advocating sweeping away others people homes makes me cringe.

However, in the 1980's as we all know...

Militant knocked down lots of high rise flats to provide homes with gardens. Which they did around the deindustrialised bits. Lots of them.

Not in itself a bad plan.

Except for the fact that Militant + Capitalism don't mix. To the point that Liverpool City Centre (the economic heart) was allowed to rot.

No thought of its recovery or chance for it to thrive, provide jobs 😱 or expand (managed decline) was considered... Until perhaps very recently.

IMO, just mine.

Massive amounts of enhanced infrastructure needs to go into the North side of the city but before we get carried away with land grabs although Pall Mall was + is necessary, (sorry rabbits) amazing use of the space available is more than possible to expand the city centre core in virtually every direction with multi height developments, 3,5,7,11,19 floors + more. Commercial corners. Roof top gardens. Pocket parks. Transport links. Let's get get back to a bit of city population growth with all of those facilities that are need.

Which very much includes offices.

Bootle in its day wasn't a bad mix. Little Whitehall. St John's house, the Giro bank, The Triad. Seafotth. Etc.

Shopping could have been better...

The area around Leeds Street to Ten Streets to Scotland Road to Everton does need a shake up of aspirations... It doesn't need hoomes demolished unless they get something better but the locals had lived in flats (apartments if you prefer) but wanted gardens...

Which is taking me off topic.
The city centre is ripe for extension is every direction but IMO it would be a better city centre if it was not only mixed use but encouraged the living in it, which prior to WWII + subsequent demolitions Liverpool had.

I rather doubt pre WWII that people living in Islington, Kensington, Scotland Road, Vauxhall etc doubted that they lived in the city centre... The suburbs where places like Woolton, Speke or Norris Green...

What we accept to be the city centre now is much smaller than its actual reality + should be re expanded, reconnected + reinvested in appropriately.

Massive, massive massive opportunities. If done well.
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Old July 25th, 2019, 12:20 PM   #1817
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Agreed. We are a long way off the point where we need to move people out of homes, even if those homes represent awful planning decisions of the past. There's still plenty of room to expand outwards (and upwards) over the next few decades.
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Old July 25th, 2019, 04:43 PM   #1818
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Unfortunately with the developers now saying they won’t go ahead unless they have a prelet , the complete opposite to what they said during planning by the way, I fear we could be waiting a long time for this one . Remember Peel said the same for their Princes Dock modest office block and that was years ago. Who can blame them Peel built a commercial warehouse speculatively in Speke and its still lying empty ....while a couple of miles ago millions of sq feet have been built and occupied in Warrington. For one reason or another Liverpool just doesn’t seem to be able to attract companies.
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Old July 25th, 2019, 04:58 PM   #1819
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Unfortunately with the developers now saying they won’t go ahead unless they have a prelet , the complete opposite to what they said during planning by the way, I fear we could be waiting a long time for this one . Remember Peel said the same for their Princes Dock modest office block and that was years ago. Who can blame them Peel built a commercial warehouse speculatively in Speke and its still lying empty ....while a couple of miles ago millions of sq feet have been built and occupied in Warrington. For one reason or another Liverpool just doesn’t seem to be able to attract companies.
I hope this isn’t true. I thought the council were in some way behind it
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Old July 25th, 2019, 05:55 PM   #1820
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This isn't normal. Chester and Warrington before Liverpool as a place to open an office? and we're meant to believe this is normal organic business behaviour as oppose to engineered encouragement to locate elsewhere?
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