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Old May 1st, 2012, 03:31 AM   #121
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Capacity wise this is just fine for Ajax. Would like to see some bigger screens though.
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Old May 1st, 2012, 10:34 AM   #123
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how to dig the field when you have a runway under the stadium?
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Do you remember Fifa 98 RTWC intro btw?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhhdEvkUuAc
I remember, and I thought it's not a real existing stadium
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Old May 1st, 2012, 11:12 AM   #125
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Are they planning to lower the pitch and bring the seats down to field level? Looks easy to do.
Not a feasible plan considering there's a highway running underneath the stadium. The club have been known to fill up the space with removable seats but obviously there's a limit to how low you can go.

The infamous "canals" between stands and pitch are a Dutch answer to hooliganism and pitch invasions that was first conjured up in the 1990s and has featured in many new stadiums ever since. Some clubs get it right and it's hardly noticeable (AZ), while some clubs take it to the extreme and **** up their entire stadium (Zwolle). When you're watching AZ games on TV, you don't notice the canal. When you watch Zwolle games on TV, you can't even see the crowd, you're just looking at a football game staged in front of a blind wall.
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Old May 1st, 2012, 01:48 PM   #126
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Not a feasible plan considering there's a highway running underneath the stadium.
I can get quite dumb sometimes.

The canals are covered up for concerts right? I can't remember there being a gap.
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Old May 1st, 2012, 02:36 PM   #127
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Any plans for renovation etc. before the hosting of Europa league 2013?
See post 119 for outside-expansions and renovations.

No interior changes are in final planning. But the lowering of the first tier (bring it closer to the pitch and getting rid of the temporary seats) is still a serious option. Also the openings in the corners of the first tier would be filled up. That could bring the capacity up to 55.000 fixed seats.
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Old May 1st, 2012, 02:53 PM   #128
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they could seriously do with changing those seats. always thought they looked horrific and dont really represent ajax or holland.. or am i wrong here?
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Old May 1st, 2012, 08:13 PM   #129
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The seats make no sense, I've always hated them.
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 09:51 AM   #130
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 10:09 PM   #131
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Nice pics!





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Old May 6th, 2012, 08:32 AM   #132
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Not a feasible plan considering there's a highway running underneath the stadium. The club have been known to fill up the space with removable seats but obviously there's a limit to how low you can go.

The infamous "canals" between stands and pitch are a Dutch answer to hooliganism and pitch invasions that was first conjured up in the 1990s and has featured in many new stadiums ever since. Some clubs get it right and it's hardly noticeable (AZ), while some clubs take it to the extreme and **** up their entire stadium (Zwolle). When you're watching AZ games on TV, you don't notice the canal. When you watch Zwolle games on TV, you can't even see the crowd, you're just looking at a football game staged in front of a blind wall.
In the case of AZ there is no canal in the 'classic' sense. The bottom of this 'canal' is on pitch level where the entrances also are. Anyone can enter the pitch here effortlessly. The only reason why the seats are just above pitch level is to create a better viewing experience for the first rows. In the case of AZ it makes sense because they have no hooligans, just people who make annoying clapping sounds with cardboard

A classic canal is lower than both the stands and the field and cannot be entered from the stands unless you decide to jump into it (Amsterdam Arena, De Kuip). They completely separate the stands from the field.

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A more popular variation in this country is a canal that is still lower than both the stands and the field (thus separating the two) but is also used as the entrance to the stands. These canals usually house catering facilities as well (Abe Lenstra Stadion, Grolsch Veste, Kyocera Stadion).

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Old May 7th, 2012, 01:25 PM   #133
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Are they planning to lower the pitch and bring the seats down to field level? Looks easy to do.

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Currently the canals are filled with temporary stands, but there are plans to replace these with final versions. A build permit for this has already been submitted to the Amsterdam local government: here (search for 188650 and use Google translate if needed).

I'm not sure if they will lower the pitch for this, but it would be possible at least. The road going through the stadium is 2 stories below the pitch. Also, the pitch is just an extension to the ceiling of the parking garage beneath it. In other words, the ceiling of the parking garage is equal to the bottom of the canals and it is extended underneath the pitch:

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Old December 10th, 2012, 10:07 PM   #134
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This winter the construction of permanent stands in the canal on the west side of the stadium will start. This is the canal in front of the main stand.

Ajax have played their last home game of 2012 on 8th December. First home game in 2013 will be on 20th January. Construction should be ready by then.

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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:05 AM   #135
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what will be the cap.?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:54 PM   #136
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U guys do realise that when u lower the pitch to add seats the upper tier may not see the whole pitch.And really why would u want to add seats?Firts of all the stands are pretty close to the pitch,i think its 10m max,so no more than 3-4 rows can be added.The problem is with the end stands.Why the hell did they built them so far (there's got to be at least 25 m there).
I heard they would want to expand it to 65-70K.How would they do it?Except a steep as hell 3rd tier(like Bernabeu) i dont see a real solution.Still this stadiums biggest problem the very large distance between pitch and end stands.Huge design mistake.
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U guys do realise that when u lower the pitch to add seats the upper tier may not see the whole pitch.And really why would u want to add seats?Firts of all the stands are pretty close to the pitch,i think its 10m max,so no more than 3-4 rows can be added.The problem is with the end stands.Why the hell did they built them so far (there's got to be at least 25 m there).
I heard they would want to expand it to 65-70K.How would they do it?Except a steep as hell 3rd tier(like Bernabeu) i dont see a real solution.Still this stadiums biggest problem the very large distance between pitch and end stands.Huge design mistake.
The pitch in the Amsterdam ArenA will not be lowered. They will construct seats in the area where now a ditch is separating the stands from the field.

The 65.000 spectators expansion was a plan for the possible WC-2018/2022 which was not awarded to The Netherlands and Belgium. That is highly unlikely to happen. And the plans for it were very, very ugly. The wanted to add a third tier only behind the goals.
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...And really why would u want to add seats?...
Why? To get rid of this extremely ugly concrete ditch which doesn't bring any good to the stadium. At least, from a Football point of view.
Having the ditch filled with seats and being as close to the pitch as possible would bring a great atmosphere. This is really a long lasting wish of all Ajax fans who have a great aversion against the ditch from the first day the stadium is in use.

Hopefully all remaining ditches (North, East, South) will be filled with seats soon after this.
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This change can only be done on the West and East side of the stadium. The areas behind the goals (North and South stand) are huge. So there this change is not possible without redoing the angle of the total stand. That is a huge change, and therefore expensive.

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This change can only be done on the West and East side of the stadium. The areas behind the goals (North and South stand) are huge. So there this change is not possible without redoing the angle of the total stand. That is a huge change, and therefore expensive.
True.

Probably the simplest solution would be to do something similar as the temporary stands on the North side of the stadium (in front of the platform for disabled). The remaining gap could then be filled with just a flat surface. People would then still be somewhat far from the pitch, but at least the ugly ditch is gone. This would create something similar as in the Emirates Stadium, which would be ok IMO (but Emirates would still be closer to the pitch).
Or they can just create a second platform for the disabled.

Alternatively they could create stands with an angle which are less steep, but not covering the entire ditch (which is probably impossible). And then close it off with a flat surface.


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