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Old April 6th, 2008, 05:07 PM   #101
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Great infos Sercan. thank you!
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Old April 8th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #102
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130 suites!!!
1 Estadio Santiago Bernabéu 241
2 Stade de France 168
3 Wembley 166
4 Estádio da Luz 156
5 Twickenham Stadium 150
6 Emirates Stadium 150
7 OL Stadium 130
8 Millenium Stadium 124
9 Estádio José Alvalade XXI 120
10 White Hart Lane 120
11 New Juventus Arena 120
12 Landsdowne Road Stadium 110
13 Allianz Arena 106
14 Villa Park 104
15 New Bilbao Stadium 100
Why don't you include Red Bulls Park in your list? It's also a football arena which has no athletics tracks. Maybe you have the minimum requirements for the capacity?
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Old April 8th, 2008, 01:04 PM   #103
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It was just the TOP 15 in Europe

1 Estadio Monumental U 1251
2 Estadio Azteca 856
3 Estadio Jalisco 660
4 Texas Stadium 379
5 Absa Stadium 350
6 New Cowboys Stadium 300
7 FedEx Field 243
8 Estadio Santiago Bernabéu 241
9 Meadowlands Stadium 217
10 Georgia Dome 203
11 Dolphin Stadium 195
12 Raymond James Stadium 195
13 Reliant Stadium 187
14 Brisbane Cricket Ground 178
15 LP Field 177
16 Lincoln Financial Field 172
17 Suncorp Stadium 170
18 Stade de France 168
19 Lambeau Field 166
20 Wembley 166
21 Ralph Wilson Stadium 164
22 Bank of America Stadium 157
23 Estádio da Luz 156
24 Twickenham Stadium 150
25 Emirates Stadium 150
26 Cleveland Browns Stadium 145
27 McAfee Coliseum 143
28 Superdome 137
29 Soldier Field 133
30 Lucas Oil Stadium 132
31 OL Stadium 130
32 Heinz Field 129
33 Stadium Australia 125
34 Millenium Stadium 124
35 Edward Jones Dome 124
36 Ford Field 120
37 Estádio José Alvalade XXI 120
38 White Hart Lane 120
39 New Juventus Arena 120
40 M&T Bank Stadium 119
41 Giants Stadium 119
42 Paul Brown Stadium 114
43 Quallcom Stadium 113
44 Metrodome 113
45 Landsdowne Road Stadium 110
46 M & T Bank Stadium 108
47 Allianz Arena 106
48 Invesco Field at Mile High 106
49 RCA Dome 104
50 Villa Park 104
51 Pontiac Silverdome 102
52 New Bilbao Stadium 100
53 Estádio do Dragão 96
54 Monster Park 93
55 AAMI Stadium 89
56 University of Phoenix Stadium 88
57 Gillette Stadium 87
58 Amsterdam ArenA 83
59 Qwest Field 82
60 Veltins Arena 81
61 Gillette Stadium 80
62 Arrowhead Stadium 80
63 Olympiastadion Berlin 76
64 Commerzbank-Arena 76
65 Jacksonville Municipal Stadium 75
66 Estadio Vicente Calderón 74
67 Nou Estadio Valencia 72
68 Boleyn Ground 70
69 Weser Stadion 70
70 City of Manchester Stadium 68
71 Telstra Dome 66
72 Stadion Lokomotiv 60
73 Sükrü Saracoglu Stadi 60
74 Subiaco Oval 59
75 Kadir Has Sehir Stadi 52
76 AOL Arena 50
77 RheinEnergie Stadion 48
78 Toyota Park 48
79 Ricoh Arena 46
80 Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion 44
81 Roger Center 43
82 Home Depot Center 43
83 Borussia-Park 42
84 MSV-Arena 41
85 De Kuip 40
86 Néo Stádio Karaïskáki 40
87 Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi 34
88 Volkswagen-Arena 32
89 Red Bull Park 30
90 BMO Field 30
91 Columbus Crew Stadium 30
92 Darlington Arena 30
93 AWD Arena 29
94 The Hawthorns 29
95 LTU Arena 27
96 Estadi Camp Nou 23
97 Dick's Sporting Goods Park 22
98 Robertson Stadium 20
99 Pizza Hut Park 17
100 Olympiakó Stádio Spýros Loúis 16
101 Zentralstadion 16
102 east-Credit Stadion 14
103 Stade de Suisse 13
104 Fritz-Walter-Stadion 12
105 Signal Iduna Park 11
106 St. Jakobs Park Stadion 11
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I'm sorry to get you wrong. Your list is really unique and impressive!
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Old April 8th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #105
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Nothing new about the stadium?
when will the building start?
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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:41 PM   #106
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i'm not even sure the location is a lock...
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Old April 10th, 2008, 01:18 PM   #107
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UEFA now ask for 70.000 seats to host a champion league final.
Lyon will never be a 5 star stadium.
Do you think it could make aulas change his mind and add 10.000 seats to the projects?
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #108
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UEFA now ask for 70.000 seats to host a champion league final.
Lyon will never be a 5 star stadium.
Do you think it could make aulas change his mind and add 10.000 seats to the projects?
Good point!
It depands most of the agreement Aulas has with HOK.
Is there still option to change the plans?
Knowing Aulas, that's something that must bother him as he always think about profit.
So to answer your question, I would say that if all cards are in his hands, yes!
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Old April 12th, 2008, 05:49 PM   #110
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UEFA now ask for 70.000 seats to host a champion league final.
Lyon will never be a 5 star stadium.
Do you think it could make aulas change his mind and add 10.000 seats to the projects?
In another thread about the Allianz Arena Sercan has pointed out that the 4 and 5 star system has been dropped by the UEFA. Since so many new stadiums are having very good facilities, the UEFA changed the requirements to minimal capacity. This of course because all candidate stadiums will have "state of the art" facilities, so the capacity becomes more and more important.

So to host a CL final the minimum capacity is 70.000 seats. For the UEFA Cup final the minimum capacity is 50.000 seats.
This means that i.e. only the Stade de France in Paris or the Olympiastadion in Berlin can host the CL final if it is given to France or Germany to organise it.

Great Britain, Spain and Italy have better chances with New Wembley in London, Old Trafford in Manchester, Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, New Anfield (if it will be built as a 71.000 seater) in Liverpool, Bernabeu in Madrid (will host a final in 2010), Camp Nou in Barcelona, New Mestalla in Valencia, the Olympic Stadium in Rome (will host the final in 2009 and the San Siro in Milan.

But several developments are underway which will bring more 70.000 + seaters in Europe like the new Feyenoord Stadium in Rotterdam , a possible new Ibrox in Glasgow, upgrade of the Amsterdam Arena, maybe the Velodrome in Marseille. So there will be more Stadiums to choose from in the future.
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Actually Allianz has gpt +72k seats.
City just allows 69,901
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Actually Allianz has gpt +72k seats.
City just allows 69,901
The 69,901 is the maximum capacity allowed by the city for the Bundesliga games. That number can only be reached if some spectators are standing instead of sitting. The +72k mark is reachable if the city would drop the strict requirements but includes spectators standing instead of sitting.

But as an all seater stadium Allianz Arena has a capacity of about 66,000. And therefore it is too small to host a CL final but a UEFA Cup final is still possible. Too bad that the CL final will never come to München anymore because to me Allianz is a magnificant stadium. Probably the most beautiful in Germany and certainly one of the best in Europe!

So if Lyon wants to host a CL final, they better boost their maximum capacity. If not, only a UEFA Cup final will be possible. The new Lyon stadium looks very nice also in my opinion.

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AA has got 72.662 SEATS
1st tier: 23.198
2nd tier: 26.150
3rd tier: 23.314
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AA has got 72.662 SEATS
1st tier: 23.198
2nd tier: 26.150
3rd tier: 23.314
Sorry Sercan, this is not correct.

These are the exact numbers:

• Gesamt: 69.901 komplett überdachte Plätze (inkl. Logen und Business-Seats)
• insgesamt 66.000 Sitzplätze (mit Stehplätzen: 69.901)
• unterer Rang: 20.000 Sitzplätze
• mittlerer Rang: 24.000 Sitzplätze
• oberer Rang: 22.000 Sitzplätze
• in Süd- und Nordkurve unterer Rang 13.500 Stehplätze bei Ligaspielen
• 2.200 Business-Sitze und etwa 400 Presseplätze
• 106 unterschiedlich große Logen mit 1.374 Plätzen
• 165 spezielle Sitzplätze für Behinderte auf der Haupterschließungsebene (ohne Ebenenwechsel)

You can verify them here: http://www.allianzarena.de/de/fakten...onen/index.php

In improvised English for those who do not understand German:

Total: 69.901 completely covered places (incl. Loges and Business-Seats)
• total 66.000 seating capacity (with standing places: 69.901)
• lower tier: 20.000 Seats
• middle tier: 24.000 Seats
• upper tier: 22.000 Seats
• in the South- and Northcurve in the lower tier 13.500 standing places for Bundesliga games
• 2.200 Business-Seats and about 400 press seats
• 106 Loges of different sizes with 1.374 seats
• 165 special seats for disabled spectators on the main exit level (without having to change the level)

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EPA, just look at the AA thread
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It's funny that on Lyon stadium thread the exact number of seats in Allianz Arean is the center of arguments
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EPA, just look at the AA thread
OK, I have read it. It appears that there is space left for two rows of seats per tier. But have they installed the seats in the extra rows per tier which appearantly did not have the seats installed before? That I did not read in the AA thread. Any regular visiting Bayern or 1860 München fans can help us out here on this issue?

If they did I missed that info. If they did not, than the official numbers are still the correct ones. Anyhow, with UEFA usually following the official number (look at what UEFA says is the official capacity of Estadio Santagio Bernabeu) it is highly unlikely that München will ever see a CL final in the Allianz Arena. No matter how sad that might be.
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It's funny that on Lyon stadium thread the exact number of seats in Allianz Arean is the center of arguments
Sorry Carrerra, we just went a bit off topic. The "argument" we are having is just about getting the right data, nothing special or personal. It would be great though if AA would be a 70.000+ seater.

I already wrote that if Lyon wants to host a CL final then they really need to boost their maximum capacity! If not, only a UEFA Cup final is possible here!
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IMHO, the data of sercan sounds more convincing. The figures in AA's official site are all thousand's multiples - 20,000/24,000/22,000. In the commen sense chances are slim that the seat numbers of each tier in a certain stadium end with "triple zeros", not double zeros or one zero.

It makes more sense to me that the actual seats are 72,662 but only up to 69,901 people are allowed to enter the stadium by the city authorities for traffic reasons(?).

In conclusion it's waste of money to build additional 2,761 seats to the maximum limitation 69,901. What a pity to Bayern Munchen! Maybe the city authorities should compensate for that loss?????

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Sorry Carrerra, we just went a bit off topic. The "argument" we are having is just about getting the right data, nothing special or personal. It would be great though if AA would be a 70.000+ seater.

I already wrote that if Lyon wants to host a CL final then they really need to boost their maximum capacity! If not, only a UEFA Cup final is possible here!
EPA001, it was just a joke. You don't have to appoligize to me
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