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Old May 23rd, 2019, 06:37 AM   #14561
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At this point of time, I can only say that the cost benefit need to be looked into in detail before taking a call between the 2 alternatives. Do we have enough clarity of the costs, both the suggestions?
There is no precedent worldwide of an airport in an "open sea". All airports on reclaimed land are built in water-bodies that are not normally exposed to stormy waves. As such, there can be no clarity on the costs involved in constructing a runway on the continental shelf off the coast of Trivandrum.

Costs of constructing a greenfield can be relatively easier to get, considering that there are multiple greenfield airport projects in various stages of development around the country.
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Old May 23rd, 2019, 06:46 AM   #14562
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Hamad Airport in Doha is constructed on reclaimed land from Persian Gulf. Velana International is also built on an artificial island.

However things are bit different here. Rather than a full on reclamation, only runway would be in sea - wonder how would that work out.

Also we saw these days that Shangumugham, Valiyathura areas heavily affected by sea erosion. Would need some good engineering to protect the new island. This adds to cost.

Finally, these days it is difficult to reclaim a pond even. How would environmentalists react, especially since Shangumugham is a popular tourist spot?

So I would be very surprised if this works out. Since the current runway is quite decent, more practical option would be to acquire around airport for new terminal + full length taxiway.
Qatar is one of the richest countries in the world... they can build an airport in mars with their bank balance if they wish...

Maldives has no uninhabited island long enough to have a full runway... while Indians are busy with politics, what to eat, what to not drink and who will pray where, China came and built a 2nd runway for the airport on reclaimed land in the sea, aka first step to colonizing small nations around the Indian ocean!!
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Old May 23rd, 2019, 09:54 AM   #14563
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Just a km of normal breakwater costs around 100cr which is 1kmx10m approx.
For airport 1km, it needs around 500m min width. So that itselves will be around 5k crores just for filling up the sea. So for 3k runway -15k crores. Now this is just plain reclaimed land. (This cost can be even more depending availability of materials).

Then comes the cost of building runway and taxiway and other instruments. Not to mention the hefty maintenance cost for anything on sea. I would estimate total of 20k crores for runway built on sea. And it really makes no sense to invest to build something which not much different from existing airport.
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Old May 23rd, 2019, 02:33 PM   #14564
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Qatar is one of the richest countries in the world... they can build an airport in mars with their bank balance if they wish...

Maldives has no uninhabited island long enough to have a full runway... while Indians are busy with politics, what to eat, what to not drink and who will pray where, China came and built a 2nd runway for the airport on reclaimed land in the sea, aka first step to colonizing small nations around the Indian ocean!!
Right, just giving examples where it is done. Purely technically it might be feasible, but financially big no.

What I don't get is, unlike many other airports in India that moved to a greenfield one, Trivandrum airport is neither a military airport, nor the core city is built around it.

It needs shifting couple of institutions like All saints and Brahmos, and few homes and that should be it. Is that easier said than done, compared to finding site for a brand new airport?? Is there any technical issue apart from the lack of will to go ahead with the acquisition?
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Old May 23rd, 2019, 07:00 PM   #14565
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Old May 23rd, 2019, 11:46 PM   #14566
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Hamad Airport in Doha is constructed on reclaimed land from Persian Gulf. Velana International is also built on an artificial island.

However things are bit different here. Rather than a full on reclamation, only runway would be in sea - wonder how would that work out.

Also we saw these days that Shangumugham, Valiyathura areas heavily affected by sea erosion. Would need some good engineering to protect the new island. This adds to cost.

Finally, these days it is difficult to reclaim a pond even. How would environmentalists react, especially since Shangumugham is a popular tourist spot?

So I would be very surprised if this works out. Since the current runway is quite decent, more practical option would be to acquire around airport for new terminal + full length taxiway.
Persian Gulf is not an open sea. Never witnessed big waves -like what we see in Kerala, in any of Qatari Beaches.

Trivandrum is situated not just in an open sea . It is in the edge of the open ocean.

Maldives Airport situated on its coral atolls. You see they built even resorts in their atolls. It is not an open sea.
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whatever coral/pearl was left near Kerala in the sea is already on the necks and hands of Malayali ladies... also the reason there are no gold fields or mines in Kerala!!
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Old May 24th, 2019, 02:45 AM   #14568
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Trivadrum guys, will you ever discuss reality? Is there any complete use of the existing airport/runway first of all?

On the lines of CNN airport let Kerala propose new Kottayam or Alleppy airport and TN govt takes Kanyakumari airport proposal forward.
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Old May 24th, 2019, 10:08 AM   #14569
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New govt to award lease rights for 6 non-metro airports to Adani

Will be one of the first big-ticket deals to be cleared by NDA
The award of lease rights for six non-metro airports to the successful bidder Adani Enterprises Ltd will be one of the first big-ticket deals to be signed by the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government when it begins a new five-year term in office.

Adani Enterprises had emerged the highest bidder when the Airports Authority of India (AAI) — which currently runs these six airports — sought bids for the operation and management of the existing airport assets as well as the upgradation and development of additional air-side terminals, city-side and land-side infrastructure on 50 years lease for Ahmedabad, Guwahati, Jaipur, Lucknow, Mangaluru and Thiruvananthapuram airports. The winning bid is decided on the basis of the highest per-passenger fee that the concessionaire will pay to the AAI monthly for 50 years. Adani Enterprises bid aggressively to claim the top slot for all the six airports, quoting a per passenger (domestic) fee of ₹177 for the Ahmedabad airport, where the Group is based, ₹174 for Jaipur, ₹171 for Lucknow, ₹168 for Thiruvananthapuram, ₹115 for Mangaluru and ₹160 for Guwahati, when the price bids were opened on February 25.

The award of the lease deal was put on hold as the Cabinet could not ratify the bid in view of the polls. The AAI will earn ₹525-575 crore per year based on the rate quoted by Adani Enterprises, which will escalate based on the traffic growth. Besides, the rate for international passengers will be twice that of domestic passengers. Adani’s entry will increase the number of players in India’s airports business which is currently dominated by GMR, GVK and the state-run AAI. The Adani Group has hired Sidharath Kapur as the CEO to run its airports business. Kapur was till recently the executive director heading the airports business at GMR Group.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com...le27225587.ece
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The Adani Group has hired Sidharath Kapur as the CEO to run its airports business. Kapur was till recently the executive director heading the airports business at GMR Group.
This is the highlight - for those who blame that Adani Group does not have experience in running airports.
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Old May 24th, 2019, 06:09 PM   #14572
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Old May 26th, 2019, 08:05 AM   #14574
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Here is some conspiracy theory against TRV for a change From Madurai airport thread

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This is of mainly due to Trivandrum airport. Trivandrum airport survives mainly due people from Southern tamilnadu. If they give rights to foreign carriers, Trivandrum airport loses it importantance. The same situation for Coimbatore airport due to Cochin and Kozhikode airport. Most of the administration people in AAI and government secretaries are dominated by keralites. Hence whoever is the MP from Madurai or Coimbatore or tuticorin nothing cannot be done. If NDA comes next time chances are there for 24 hr operation. Other wise no hope. An example kannur airport got all approval during UPA and Madurai or tuticorin airport are struggling for years even though govt. is getting more tax income from these region.
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Here is some conspiracy theory against TRV for a change From Madurai airport thread


Same tone as our friends who hate CIAL .
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Nobody hates CIAL. Let more airports come up in Kerala and India. It is good for development and makes places more accessible. We hate what is being done to TRV.
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Old May 28th, 2019, 02:46 PM   #14580
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