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Old April 22nd, 2013, 03:45 PM   #121
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Ayos ba magkaroon ng Clark to Manila via NLEX?

OO:


- mapapabilis ang biyahe papuntang Clark Airport galing Manila at vice versa


HINDI:

- mas maganda ituloy na lang ang Northrail papuntang Clark mas marami pa ang makikinabang. Mas marami stop over marami ang makakasakay

- Clark tapos Manila na sunod na stop over, parang sobrang layo naman ng 90 km

- malamang nasa 100-150kph yan, baka naman marami mahilo at magsuka sa tren gayong layo ng stop over

- minimal lang ang sasakay kung galing Manila dahil Airport lang ang pakay, ok sana kung pati ang mga bagahe ay pwede sa tren


una ko itong narinig ay sa panayam kay Yeng Guiao sa CLTV 36 ilang linggo bago malathala sa pahayagan
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If ever, saan dadaan ang riles? Sa NLEX o sa ROW NoRail?
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 03:55 PM   #123
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Ang tanga nman ng nagsabing maraming masusuka o mahihilo sa bullet train? Ganun ba nangyayari sa mga hapon? Inutil
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Ang tanga nman ng nagsabing maraming masusuka o mahihilo sa bullet train? Ganun ba nangyayari sa mga hapon? Inutil
ok inutil na kung inutil, sobra kasing layo nun. Sa tingin mo kayang sumakay ng ganong kalayo ang matatanda ng walang mahihilo. Sa LRT at MRT ba walang nahihilo ni isa man lang. Mag isip ka muna bago ka magsabing inutil ako. Peace man hehe
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 04:05 PM   #125
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If ever, saan dadaan ang riles? Sa NLEX o sa ROW NoRail?
Ayon sa sinabi ni Yeng Guiao sa CLTV 36 ay gusto ni MVP sa gilid ng Northrail dadaan ang nasabing bullet train
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 04:46 PM   #126
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ok inutil na kung inutil, sobra kasing layo nun. Sa tingin mo kayang sumakay ng ganong kalayo ang matatanda ng walang mahihilo. Sa LRT at MRT ba walang nahihilo ni isa man lang. Mag isip ka muna bago ka magsabing inutil ako. Peace man hehe
I have never been dizzy in my end to end LRT/MRT trips. And I saw some old people ride the KTX in South Korea during my last trip there, I think that proves that high speed trains doesn't make one dizzy unless it's a bouncy and jarring ride
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 05:53 PM   #127
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Sa PNR, konting cha-gag lang hilo na kaagad
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 10:08 PM   #128
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ok inutil na kung inutil, sobra kasing layo nun. Sa tingin mo kayang sumakay ng ganong kalayo ang matatanda ng walang mahihilo. Sa LRT at MRT ba walang nahihilo ni isa man lang. Mag isip ka muna bago ka magsabing inutil ako. Peace man hehe
Nakita mo na ba yung mga bullet train sa japan at kung gaano kalalayo? Wala sa distance yan, bakit ang isang araw na travel by air, nahihilo ba mga tao at matatanda? Magihilo ka lang kung ala roller coaster ang sinasakyan mo.

Tanga pala yang Yeng.
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Sa PNR, konting cha-gag lang hilo na kaagad
Yup kung ang riles ay hindi deretso.

Dapat kung gagawa ng bullet train sa pinas, dapat pulido na kasing astig ng nasa japan or mas maigi pa.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 10:24 PM   #130
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talagang walang maipakita si pnoy para sa apec summit 2015 na magbigiy na wow effect para sa pinas. so kino conceive niya itong mga proof of concepts like the cebu brt na ginagawa sa manila, yong prototype monorail/agt train ng dotc at up, and now he's toying with the idea of a bullet train. hindi mo naman ma count yong mga tall buildings and malls kasi meron sa ibang lugar na mas bongga pa.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 11:42 PM   #131
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I have an idea: what if we do the following...

- Use the existing PNR line (Northrail) and make it into an effective, efficient, and attractive commuter line for regular commuters, similar to those in Japan? All it needs would be electrification, better rail vehicles, equipment automation, refurbishing old stations, and more consistent scheduling to allow trains every 6 to 10 minutes (roughly 6 to 10 trains per hour). Along with that, if demand warrants, we can expand the current configuration of the line to become quadruple-tracked (4 tracks) so that we can establish a rapid/express system to make commute times quicker and easier for everyone.

- For the bullet train project, we can use the median of NLEX and operate it straight to CRK from Manila (if not adding stops at, say, Balintawak, Valenzuela City, Bocaue, Tabang, and San Fernando) so that we can establish a fast and reliable rail service to the airport. However, should that be fully established, we need to take into account the predicted and actual speeds that the trains can deliver, in which we need to look into how efficient the service will be in the long run, because we have to make sure that the bullet train will stay in service even after an earthquake, flooding, or volcanic eruption ensues that could disrupt travel for thousands of passengers.
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Old April 22nd, 2013, 11:43 PM   #132
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Pagtatawanan lang tayo n mga ASEAN leaders pagdatin dito, lalo na kun nandyan parin yung mga squatters na di nila maalis alis..
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Pagtatawanan lang tayo n mga ASEAN leaders pagdatin dito, lalo na kun nandyan parin yung mga squatters na di nila maalis alis..
Sure. Perhaps we need to create a long-term strategy wherein we can create communities that focus on the railway stations, not just roads that connect to NLEX, SLEX, SCTEX, or other expressways. I want communities that have a strong focal point, and I sense that the bullet train stations can act as key focal points of the communities it serves, similar to what's done in Japan.
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Bakit di nalang mag maglev instead na rail track ang gamitin? Mas mahal pero need lang naman ay foreign investor to fund such a project.
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Maybe they should privatize the PNR or have a joint venture with foreign investor to further develop the PNR rail system and extend them further upnorth and later southward thru visayas and mindanao.
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Bakit di nalang mag maglev instead na rail track ang gamitin? Mas mahal pero need lang naman ay foreign investor to fund such a project.
A maglev system is a novel solution that would seriously boost the country's economy. However, for that to happen would mean one needs to look at the challenges that need to be addressed in the process, from route alignment versus natural barriers (mountains, fault lines, rivers), equipment and track maintenance (include costs), station placement, rail design (especially that it will go through Metro Manila), potential ridership and ticket costs, and so many other key factors. On top of that, for it to happen would mean the country will need to boost its knowledge on engineering even further to a point that we will need to introduce more science and creativity to our universities to produce even more engineers, designers, and politicians to make it all happen.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 04:46 AM   #137
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hindi ba malaki ang ROW ng Northrail? What if sa gilid ang regular commuter service at sa gitna ang high speed direct service? For regular commuter service dapat per towns/cities may station. For high speed, per province.
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hindi ba malaki ang ROW ng Northrail? What if sa gilid ang regular commuter service at sa gitna ang high speed direct service? For regular commuter service dapat per towns/cities may station. For high speed, per province.
That would be fine. However, you'd consider how many riders will both systems attract, as well as how many riders prefer to go between one place and another. For example:

• Regular commuter service (local) would mean trains stop at every station along the line. The benefit is that commuters can go to anywhere along the line quickly and easily (e.g. Malolos to Meycauayan); the downside is that a trip between Metro Manila and the provinces can take longer because of the number of stops (as well as dwell times). I'd recommend for this service one to two stops per town or city, with 8- to 10-car services, complete with air conditioning and longitudinal (horizontal) seating, providing a lot of standing room.

• For the high-speed service (rapid, express), trains will not only run faster, but will also need to collaborate with the running times of the local services as much as possible so that operations between them will run smoothly, efficiently, and with ease for both commuters and operators. The fare would be similar for the local service, with a possible "top up" fare for the express service (because one can pay a little extra to get to one's destination quicker than the local service… as for the seats, it can either be longitudinal seating or a 2x3 configuration, with 8- to 10-car consists, and stations located in the major towns along the way, not anymore in every town to speeder up the journey. This system works better for inter-regional operations (between Metro Manila, Central Luzon, and Southern Tagalog regions) since those areas could capture millions of potential riders.
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Bullet trains are more economical for inter-region travel. Like they make a line from Baguio to Bicol, hopefully make it cross over towards mindanao.
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Bullet trains are more economical for inter-region travel. Like they make a line from Baguio to Bicol, hopefully make it cross over towards mindanao.
That's true. That's why I made line proposals for which the Bullet Train can operate. However, it doesn't mean that it works best for inter regional journeys; it can also serve as an alternative to commuter rail as well because of its speed, comfort, and convenience. The biggest challenge if this is to be implemented beyond Luzon: how will it be connected to the other islands, including between:

• Luzon and Samar
• Samar and Leyte
• Leyte and Mindanao
• Luzon and Mindoro

Plus, what kinds of trains are needed to implement this program successfully in the long-run?
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