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Old March 18th, 2017, 07:06 PM   #121
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The whole island will be served by rails - connecting cities, airports, seaports, agricultural farms, plantations, export processing zones... The realisation that Mega Manila which are now likely to extend to Central Luzon Provinces of Bulacan, Bataan, Pampanga, Tarlac & Zambales and Southern Provinces of Cavite, Laguna, Batangas & Quezon - has reached tipping point... The planned bridges interconnecting the Visayan Islands are just to link Cosmopolitan Cities of the islands of Panay, Cebu, Bohol & Negros with Samar & Leyte connected to Luzon and Mindanao... So the next unspoilt Island with the most potential for growth and development will be Mindanao... Verdant Forests, Mineral rich Mines, Vastly Productive Agricultural Lands - the rail network will bring migrants away from the decaying Capital of Manila to the fresh unspoilt clean paradise of Mindanao... Imagine the place full of export processing zones, cruise ships laden tourists, international businesses setting up branches in Mindanao, humongous malls, towering condominiums, retirement resorts catering to foreigners... The possibilities are limitless... 50 years and Mindanao will be as populated and crowded as Luzon and as Cosmopolitan as Visayas...
Mindanao will be like the second Bali if peace is made, as it has probably among the most tourist worthy destinations in the world
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Old March 18th, 2017, 11:04 PM   #122
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Government Proposal

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Second Project Proposal presented by Chinese Dignitaries : P128-B Mindanao Railway Project - a 200 kilometer loopline that will connect Davao, Zamboanga, Butuan, Surigao, Cagayan de Oro Iligan and Gensan to spur economic development in Mindanao.









It seems the Chinese will be doing Phase 1, Phase 4, Phase 3.


Will the Japanese do Phase 2, Phase 5, Phase 6? Dapat ibigay ng gobyerno yung other Phases sa Japanese.


Sana sumali sila, para competition Sino yung better rails quality at sino una matatapos sa dalawa


I do understand some parts of Mindanao have high elevation..


Parang iniwasan ng mga Chinese yung mountainous na parts at pinili yung coastal areas kasi mabilis..
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Old March 19th, 2017, 12:38 AM   #123
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Those 2 look quite different

Like the Chinese circumferential proposal(that seem to take Phase 1,3 and 4 of the government proposed plan)doesn't include General Santos as a destination, and alot of cities of the South-Western and the Eastern part of Mindanao seems to be excluded aswell
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Old March 19th, 2017, 06:26 AM   #124
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according to the big chart with all the phases of work shown, di magkakadugtong ang bawat phase ng rail?
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Old March 19th, 2017, 07:35 AM   #125
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China ready to help build Mindanao railway

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One of the highest-ranking Chinese officials to visit the Philippines said his country was ready to help President Duterte realize his dream of building a railway to connect key Mindanao areas with one another.

Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang, however, said he was still unsure how.
Speaking through an interpreter during a visit here on Saturday, Wang said China’s help could be in the form of a loan or Chinese investors taking part in the Philippine government’s public-private partnership (PPP) scheme.

Wang was the main guest at the presentation of the proposed Mindanao railway, which would cost P218 billion and run at least 830 kilometers, and other major projects that the Duterte administration is selling to China for funding.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 04:32 AM   #126
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Feasibility study for Mindanao Railway complete

Monday, March 20, 2017
By JENNIE P. ARADO


THE feasibility study for the Mindanao Railway project had been completed and is already up for presentation to the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda) Board Investment Committee by the third quarter of the year, a Neda official said.

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Old March 20th, 2017, 05:09 AM   #127
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Out of all the projects across the Philippines, this is the one I am most excited about. I hope that this becomes a reality sooner rather than later.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 05:40 AM   #128
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Alin kaya ang maganda diyan?
P218B of 830 kilometers of rails means P263M per kilometer!
Samantala, ang estimates ng gobiyerno ay P39M per km lang (P78B/2,000km)
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Old March 20th, 2017, 06:02 PM   #129
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Government Proposal



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It seems the Chinese will be doing Phase 1, Phase 4, Phase 3.


Will the Japanese do Phase 2, Phase 5, Phase 6? Dapat ibigay ng gobyerno yung other Phases sa Japanese.


Sana sumali sila, para competition Sino yung better rails quality at sino una matatapos sa dalawa


I do understand some parts of Mindanao have high elevation..


Parang iniwasan ng mga Chinese yung mountainous na parts at pinili yung coastal areas kasi mabilis..
Medyo mataas yan Marawi at yung daan ay bundok pag galing sa Iligan-CDO highway. Good luck na lang sa mga MNLF/MILF lost command dyan pati Maute
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Old March 21st, 2017, 06:26 AM   #130
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Medyo mataas yan Marawi at yung daan ay bundok pag galing sa Iligan-CDO highway. Good luck na lang sa mga MNLF/MILF lost command dyan pati Maute
IMO, pwede rin namang train tunnel ang gagawin at nang tatagos na lang sa matataas na bundok! Yan kaya ang dahilan at sobrang mahal ang estimates ng mga Chinese? P268M/km versus P39M/km dun sa government estmate (7 times more expensive)?
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IMO, pwede rin namang train tunnel ang gagawin at nang tatagos na lang sa matataas na bundok! Yan kaya ang dahilan at sobrang mahal ang estimates ng mga Chinese? P268M/km versus P39M/km dun sa government estmate (7 times more expensive)?
Kasama na dyan yung hazard pay, at exortion ng mga rebelde.
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 08:03 AM   #132
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Kasama na dyan yung hazard pay, at exortion ng mga rebelde.
I've been in projects before, it seldom happens that hazard pays exceed the pay one gets! Even if you add some "grease monies", the costs could only double, not even triple!

I cannot think of anything that will force the costs to grow 7X the usual costing other than "out-of-the-ordinary", newer technologies to be used, or project times being crushed.
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 08:56 AM   #133
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Second Project Proposal presented by Chinese Dignitaries : P128-B Mindanao Railway Project - a 200 kilometer loopline that will connect Davao, Zamboanga, Butuan, Surigao, Cagayan de Oro Iligan and Gensan to spur economic development in Mindanao.



200 km ?? 2000 km !
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 07:28 PM   #134
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If the rebels are smart, they want this project to push through and not impede or sabotage it. Otherwise, they'll continue being poor. So bahala na sila dun.
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Old March 23rd, 2017, 02:45 AM   #135
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but diz, they DO want to be poor, or atleast make the inhabitants fo the territories they control stay poor
No, you don't understand how these groups operate. They suck money/anything from the people. If people have nothing to give, they'll suffer.
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If the rebels are smart, they want this project to push through and not impede or sabotage it. Otherwise, they'll continue being poor. So bahala na sila dun.
Many of Moro rebels and NPA are no-read/no-write people especially the Abus. Kaya madali sila mahikayat sa propaganda nung nirerecruitment pa lang sila.

Sa area ng ARMM sila mahihirapan magrollout lahat ng klase ng panghaharang at pananabotahe gagawin ng mga Moro Rebels na yan. Kung kami nga naglatag ng FOC papuntang Marawi galing Iligan pinuputol yung fiber kapag walang lagay sa bawat baranggay na puro muslim pano pa kaya yung riles ng tren. 😁 Kaya nauwi sa pullout ang project kaya tignan mo nagsusuffer sa poor telco services (data and voice) ang buong Marawi City at kalapit na bayan.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 07:58 PM   #137
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Samal Bridge, Mindanao rail named priorities

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DAVAO CITY -- Budget Secretary Benjamin E. Diokno identified the priority projects in Mindanao that are planned for construction starting this year or early 2018, including the Davao-Samal Bridge and the Mindanao Railway System.
“We’re going to construct a bridge from Davao to Samal Island that will be constructed starting this year[/B],” Mr. Diokno told BusinessWorld on the sidelines of the Mindanao Trade and Investment Forum organized by the British Chamber of Commerce Philippines at the Marco Polo Davao last Friday.

The forum was attended by a British delegation of investors, with British Ambassador to the Philippines Asif Ahmad, members of the Philippine Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Inc., and representatives of the Mindanao Development Authority (MinDA).

Mr. Diokno said the feasibility study (FS) and the source of public funds for the long-planned Davao-Samal Bridge is being finalized.

“In fact, for the longest time it was not a priority of President [Rodrigo R.] Duterte... [But] we asked him last week, he said, ‘okay, we cannot stop progress, let’s do it,’” Mr. Diokno said.

The first phase of the Mindanao Railway System, covering an initial 100 kilometers, is being eyed for construction by the fourth quarter or early 2018.

Funding will come from Official Development Assistance and through a public-private partnership (PPP) arrangement, but Mr. Diokno declined to give further details as discussions are ongoing.

He said among those that have expressed interest in funding the railway are the Chinese government and Philippine private firms who are already involved in other major infrastructure projects, including PPPs.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 12:21 AM   #138
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Bakit yung sa BUILD BUILD BUILD website parang nag-iba yung project design ng Mindanao rail?



Tignan nyo. Mukhang nagbago na naman. I think they tried to balanced out the government proposal and the chinese proposal. previous government proposal seems excessive. chinese proposal seems lacking. This seems to be the middle ground.


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Old April 10th, 2017, 07:26 AM   #139
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Pagmasdan mo mabuti kung magkaiba?
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Old April 10th, 2017, 07:29 AM   #140
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Papayag kaya mga Zubiri dun sa "compromise plan" ? Nawala Bukidnon sa radar e
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