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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:32 AM   #41
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Yeah that quote from Ninoy is utterly pathetic. It goes to show the Yellows have already been against infrastructure even during the Marcos days. It also shows how stupid they are because they can't understand this simple proverb....

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Old October 26th, 2017, 06:00 PM   #42
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Haha Liberal Party logic. Politics first before anything else - even a reliable Luzon railway system.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 08:38 PM   #43
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Typical LP attitude talaga yan si VP Leni Robredo. So anti-rail! She should be grateful the Digong admin is working in building a world class rail system to her turf, tapos ayaw pa! Susmaryosep talaga itong mga dilawan na ito! If something bad happens to Digong, its safe to assume ALL railway projects will once again get cancelled if VP Leni becomes his successor! So scary, eh?

Maganda naman gumawa ng tren ang China, so what is Leni's problem with them?


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And before someone says MRT3 Dalian trains, the problem is not Dalian, its Joseph Emilio Aguinaldo Abaya!

C'mon! San dun ang sinabi ni Robredo na anti-rail siya? Sabi niya there might be a better way to finance the project. And there probably is.

She's just voicing (and referencing) what happened to Sri Lanka and that's a valid point. 171Bn is a huge amount of debt. Anong specifics nung utang? Kung mas mataas ang interes na babayaran kaysa mag-issue ng bond sa merkado, bakit sa China pa uutang? Kung may mas magaling gumawa, bakit dun pa sa iba ipagagawa?

At si Abaya (na dinadasal kong sana magpasagasa na sa tren), eh sa isang unknown "train manufacturer" bumili. Which makes it dubious. Kaya nga kailangan extra scrutiny pag China ang ka-deal. Also, anong problema sa Chinese trains? Baka safety record? Baka may mas magaling lang gumawa? Mas experienced? Mas may technology?

Bakit ang sisi ay kay Abaya lang? It takes two to tango. Dalian has a fault there too. And if we've dealt with a government-owned "train manufacturer" who failed, isn't it prudent to point it out?

At Susmaryosep, if something bad happens to Digong, nag-assume ka agad. Wag ganun.
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f**k y**! Yellowish!
ser, pakibasa, baka may mapulot ka...

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Old October 27th, 2017, 04:15 AM   #45
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Magandang project ito to para sa ekonomita pero siya ayaw?
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Old October 27th, 2017, 05:30 AM   #46
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Yung Sri Lanka example, nagpatayo ng airport at seaport/port terminal yung ex-president nila sa home region nila as a "vanity project" [pinangalan pa yung airport sa kanya mismo, matindi]. Too far / remote / no economic and tourism opportunity kaya fail.

Besides China, sino ba ang willing to fund Southrail with Matnog extension? [Don't say Japan kasi ang commitment nila ay Northrail Malolos-Tutuban and NSCR commuter Tutuban-Elbi lang].

TOTAL RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE MLS WITH MATNOG EXTENSION. Even the turning radii of the rails will be revised to allow seamless 80-120kph runs. This will be really co$$$tly.

Hindi naman siguro ganung ka-T mga tao ni Dutz and plantilla sa NEDA/DoF/Economic team to propose "vanity projects" for ODA.

Right or wrong, matagal na tong perceived bias ng mga "Dilaw/LP" sa railways kaya sila tagged as "anti-railways". Tignan mo nalang PNR, "nabuhay" nong panahon ni GMA with a massive achievement made by her and Noli: the relocation of thousands upon thousands of squatters from the RROW.

If GMA was still P beyond 2010, no doubt demolition would have happened in Bucal/Pansol/Elbi already. Wala, tumigil dun sa San Cristobal bridge at dina natuloy.

Si Mar naman, imbis na maging enthusiastic sa Panay Railways revival ay gusto gawing expressway with toll fees shempre yung RROW.

Si Abaya, well the record of what he did at the LRT1/2/Common Station and MRT3 [with Mar] speaks for itself.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 05:18 PM   #47
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Yung Sri Lanka example, nagpatayo ng airport at seaport/port terminal yung ex-president nila sa home region nila as a "vanity project" [pinangalan pa yung airport sa kanya mismo, matindi]. Too far / remote / no economic and tourism opportunity kaya fail.

Besides China, sino ba ang willing to fund Southrail with Matnog extension? [Don't say Japan kasi ang commitment nila ay Northrail Malolos-Tutuban and NSCR commuter Tutuban-Elbi lang].

TOTAL RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE MLS WITH MATNOG EXTENSION. Even the turning radii of the rails will be revised to allow seamless 80-120kph runs. This will be really co$$$tly.

Hindi naman siguro ganung ka-T mga tao ni Dutz and plantilla sa NEDA/DoF/Economic team to propose "vanity projects" for ODA.

Right or wrong, matagal na tong perceived bias ng mga "Dilaw/LP" sa railways kaya sila tagged as "anti-railways". Tignan mo nalang PNR, "nabuhay" nong panahon ni GMA with a massive achievement made by her and Noli: the relocation of thousands upon thousands of squatters from the RROW.

If GMA was still P beyond 2010, no doubt demolition would have happened in Bucal/Pansol/Elbi already. Wala, tumigil dun sa San Cristobal bridge at dina natuloy.

Si Mar naman, imbis na maging enthusiastic sa Panay Railways revival ay gusto gawing expressway with toll fees shempre yung RROW.

Si Abaya, well the record of what he did at the LRT1/2/Common Station and MRT3 [with Mar] speaks for itself.
We can only A mere mortal can have a heart attack with these 2.
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C'mon! San dun ang sinabi ni Robredo na anti-rail siya? Sabi niya there might be a better way to finance the project. And there probably is.

She's just voicing (and referencing) what happened to Sri Lanka and that's a valid point. 171Bn is a huge amount of debt. Anong specifics nung utang? Kung mas mataas ang interes na babayaran kaysa mag-issue ng bond sa merkado, bakit sa China pa uutang? Kung may mas magaling gumawa, bakit dun pa sa iba ipagagawa?

At si Abaya (na dinadasal kong sana magpasagasa na sa tren), eh sa isang unknown "train manufacturer" bumili. Which makes it dubious. Kaya nga kailangan extra scrutiny pag China ang ka-deal. Also, anong problema sa Chinese trains? Baka safety record? Baka may mas magaling lang gumawa? Mas experienced? Mas may technology?

Bakit ang sisi ay kay Abaya lang?
It takes two to tango. Dalian has a fault there too. And if we've dealt with a government-owned "train manufacturer" who failed, isn't it prudent to point it out?

At Susmaryosep, if something bad happens to Digong, nag-assume ka agad. Wag ganun.
Of course! He bought the bloody trains from a company with no track record. Proper due diligence. Abaya seemed to be hell bent on buying from Dalian. Have you heard of buyer beware? Abaya knew what he was buying, what he was doing but he just made a fool of taxpayers. The bidding was rigged to favour Dalian, that's why no other bidders pursued it. Dalian's big sister backed out and left Dalian remaining, to ensure it gets the deal. Lutong macau, shanghai, hao shiao etc.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 05:30 PM   #49
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Yung past administration ata hindi sila interesado sa railway projects eh puro highways lang sila nakakafocus sa project.

Pero in this administration, puro railway projects ang nakafocus ngayon, 2nd yung highways
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Yung past administration ata hindi sila interesado sa railway projects eh puro highways lang sila nakakafocus sa project.

Pero in this administration, puro railway projects ang nakafocus ngayon, 2nd yung highways
Not even. The previous admin was focused on contract signing to favour their "patrons". That's why the current DOTr is going nuts with all these contracts they signed late in their administration even if the contracts are questionable and possibly anomalous. They put the current admin up to this and tied its hands.
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At si Abaya (na dinadasal kong sana magpasagasa na sa tren), eh sa isang unknown "train manufacturer" bumili. Which makes it dubious. Kaya nga kailangan extra scrutiny pag China ang ka-deal. Also, anong problema sa Chinese trains? Baka safety record? Baka may mas magaling lang gumawa? Mas experienced? Mas may technology?
The Chinese got their modern rail technology from Germany and Europe, the original will always be better, but i doubt the government will be willing to pay for quality .

So the only thing if they do insist on cheaper Chinese options or loans, is to have tough and enforcable contracts, with regards compensations or corrections, for whatever aspect of the project that fails to deliver or falls short .

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Old November 4th, 2017, 06:09 AM   #52
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lol naging political na ung thread

hopefully as suggested above, dapat someone with economic background ang magprovide ng data kung bakit kailangan kunin ung loan from China to give us a bigger picture

Robredo has a valid claim though she must be informedthat this is not the case with Sri Lanka as you guys claim. And I hope China gives us good rates.

Pero pansin ko nga, LP = oligarchs scooping infra projects. Hopefully this project will come into fruition
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From here in Manila ay elevated ba? Using the commuter line from Tutuban to Los banos kasi diba ang south commuter ay elevated rin so may oras na nakalaan oara sa bicol express sana ang tren na gamitin nipa ay gaya sa amerika yung siemens charger.
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Ayan yung charger locomotive and coaches nya

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Or ito from CRRC rolling stock can run 120 kph.
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From here in Manila ay elevated ba? Using the commuter line from Tutuban to Los banos kasi diba ang south commuter ay elevated rin so may oras na nakalaan oara sa bicol express sana ang tren na gamitin nipa ay gaya sa amerika yung siemens charger.
Yung PNR South po kasama na po Bicol Express, may elevated, may at-grade po
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Old November 4th, 2017, 05:12 PM   #59
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Ito pwede rin for the bicol express Push pull train one locomotive in the end and cab car in other end plus mid coaches and it could also add another car when demand grow.

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Kailan ang commencement ng construction?

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