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Old September 17th, 2019, 10:18 PM   #1
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Roxas Boulevard tram system

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Old September 18th, 2019, 02:44 AM   #2
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I dont think it will works here. Lahat ng mga devices at mga public installations sa kalsada ay sinisira ng mga walang magawa sa buhay na mga tambay at gangster, paano pa kaya itong tram system, yayariin nila dyan yung overhead cables. Much better kung subway type baka kasi kapag elevated, aangal naman yung mga environmentalist kuno.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 04:52 AM   #3
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sana catenary free technology gamitin nila para walang masyadong obstruction view
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Old September 18th, 2019, 09:29 AM   #5
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A Tram System that goes from Roxas Boulevard to Padre Burgos Avenue & Kalaw Avenue to Taft Avenue...

It will cover hopefully the areas from NAIA to the Port Area... CCP Complex, Rizal Park, Intramuros & Agrifina - National Museums with a possible interchange loop in Liwasang Bonifacio then toward the length of the LRT 1 Possibly crossing the Pasig River and extending toward Escolta...

It will remove the need for the jeepneys and decrease the number of buses.... Possibly the Tram running every 15minutes continuously... 6:00 AM to 9:00PM with decreased services 10:00PM to 5:00AM... School Children, HS & College Students, Office Workers, Local & Foreign Tourists, etc

Theft & Destruction of the Rail System (LRT/ MRT/ PNR & Tram) should not only considered as Economic Liability (destroying & selling train & rail parts/ power cables/ signaling system for economic reason) there should be Criminal Liabilities especially if it results to high number of injuried and casualties... Bring Back Death Penalty for this offence...

The routes should be guarded by Rail Police & complimented by Security Cameras... Trains should be garaged in Secured Depots with Daily Routines of cleaning, repairing, servicing or maintaining for less train break down especially during rush hours...

Roxas Buolevard is 7.6km, Padre Burgos Avenueis 1.5km, Kalaw Avenue 1.1km, Taft Avenue 3.6km = 13.8km

Escolta 1.5km & Rizal Avenue 6.5km if added = 8km

Compare to Croydon Tram = 28km & 39 stops, Bombardier Carriage seated passengers 70 & standing passengers 138 per Tram...

A Tram is Equivalent to 9.9 Jeepneys or 2.8 Buses...

Single Route Every 15minutes is Equivalent to 39.6 Jeepneys or 11.2 Buses per Hour...

Double Routes Every 15minutes is Equivalent to 79.2 Jeepneys or 22.4 Buses per Hour...

6AM to 10PM Equivalent to 1267.2 Jeepneys or 358.4 Buses per 16 Hours (Peak Time)...

5 Working Days Equivalent to 6336 Jeepneys or 1792 Buses in a Week...

20 Working Days Equivalent to 25,344 Jeepneys or 7168 Buses in a Month...

Fares should be free for School Children 6 to 17yo (their Free Tickets revoked if they do any Anti-Social Behaviour while in the Tram/ Train..

Free Fares for 60 and above (likewise for any Anti-Social Behaviour then their are Banned in taking Tram/ Train)...

Any Anti-Social Behaviour - Physically Violent or Verbally Abusive to other Passengers or Staff or Sexual Harrashment (Exposure, Masturbation, Frottage, Upskirting, Touching) should be turned over to the Police for Criminal Offenses...

Busking or Begging should be discouraged...

Sexual Offense or Theft or Hold Up should be given lifetime ban from travelling in Rail System...
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Old September 18th, 2019, 05:00 PM   #6
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sana catenary free technology gamitin nila para walang masyadong obstruction view
Reminds me of the newly built Newcastle Light Rail.

They can have the trams just use super capacitor to store electricity, so you don't even need catenary along the tracks, not even ground power supply. Tram will simply charge in each stop.


Notice the track does not even have ground power supply and no catenary. Also this is a shared street with tram and cars. They could do this in Manila for some non-congested streets, trams are designed for this anyways. If there is tram on that street, you really don't need PUVs on that street and along its route.

On some routes, you can still have catenary if space and view is not an issue. I think you can have both.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 07:08 PM   #7
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Ang scary kapag bumaha.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 07:46 PM   #8
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^ yun nga ang worry dyan tapos kapag naputol pa yung overhead cable sumayad sa baha. Alam na kahihitnan when positive meets negative.

Imagine kung sa Espana or sa Recto idadaan yan, kawawa kapag bumaha
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Old September 19th, 2019, 10:48 AM   #9
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Either ayusin yun flood control (mas malaking project) o kaya i elevate yun tram ng konti. Kaso pag elevated na yan kakain na ng lane instead na pwede pa sana gamitin ng pedestrian

Honestly kailangan talaga ng mas coordinated na plano o program hindi yun ganito na pa isa isa at naghihintay ang gobyerno ng unsolicited proposal sa mga private firms.
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Old September 20th, 2019, 12:51 AM   #10
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After Projects involving the Sky Ways, LRT/ MRT extensions, Subways - the National Government should do:

Flood Control System, Sewerage Treatment System & Water Treatment Facilities...

Similar to the Thames Tideway Scheme...

Rain Water/ Flood Water and Raw Sewage are Treated before being release to the River Thames (London, England)...

GBP Ł5Billion Mega Sewer...
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Old September 20th, 2019, 02:43 AM   #11
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Flood control and traffic management is indeed another issue really needs to solve, not just for trams but overall for Metro Manila. This is why "we can't have nice things" because of these lingering issues.

Maybe they could have the dedicated lane for tram just slightly more elevated from the normal street, just enough so few CMs puddle of water won't easily goes to the tracks, only make it level with streets for intersections.

If you make the tram fully elevated, then you are pretty much in the LRT territory, adding more cost since there is more infrastructure required. Might as well build a monorail or another LRT. Problem is that additional structures would not bode well for hotels alongside the Roxas Boulevard since you could block the view of Manila Bay the windows of their rooms. Other groups may complain since the added viaduct structure could be an eyesore, especially if they went to typical girders we often use.

In regards to power supply, they can just use super capacitor so there will be no need to install catenary alongside of Roxas Boulevard. Tram will only charge each stop, especially when the distance between stops would be short anyways. This way, you prett much only maintaining rail tracks and making the guideway clean. There is a possibility if people jaywalking on rail tracks, but they would be stupid if they cross when tram is coming in 40kph or more. People might not get run over since it is so low to the ground but they will be still side swiped.
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Old September 20th, 2019, 02:58 AM   #12
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^ kagaya ng MRT3 na technically isang elevated tram.
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Old September 20th, 2019, 03:09 AM   #13
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Technically we have two tram lines since LRT-1.

About MRT, they should have just called it LRT-3. LRT-2 deserves to be called MRT-2, they don't even use LRVs.
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Old September 20th, 2019, 09:54 AM   #14
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Reminds me of the newly built Newcastle Light Rail.

They can have the trams just use super capacitor to store electricity, so you don't even need catenary along the tracks, not even ground power supply. Tram will simply charge in each stop.


Notice the track does not even have ground power supply and no catenary. Also this is a shared street with tram and cars. They could do this in Manila for some non-congested streets, trams are designed for this anyways. If there is tram on that street, you really don't need PUVs on that street and along its route.

On some routes, you can still have catenary if space and view is not an issue. I think you can have both.
I don't think we can have trams like these in Roxas Blvd. As you can see whenever there is a typhoon, the waters of the Manila Bay tend to overflow and get swept towards Roxas Blvd, bringing garbage along the way. Salt water isn't good on electrified systems so keeping it ground level which will for sure be immersed in salt water is a bad idea.

As for the comment about the tambays and gansters, well Yorme is the mayor, right? Surely he can make sure these riff raff do not do anything to destroy the infrastructure of this project...
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Old September 21st, 2019, 03:27 AM   #15
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Nice in Provence-Alpes-CĂ´te dÂ’Azur in France is by the Mediterranean Sea got beautiful Trams...

It uses both Overhead Wires on Busy Streets while on Wide Open Spaces it uses Batteries (less eye sores)...

Lisboa on Costa do Sol in Portugal got Traditional Iconic Trams that go from seaside up the hills overlooking the Capital City...

If used in Roxas Boulevard Manila Bay then High Tide, Tidal Surges, Typhoon, Flooding, Sea Garbage, Raw Sewage got to be addressed first...

Pointless in improving Mass Transportation:

if it wonÂ’t be fit for purpose & just end up for decoration

if it might endanger lives due to electrocution

if the service is interrupted every so often due to Seasonal Weather Disturbances

if System will break down so often due to Poor Maintenance

Istanbul in Turkey situated by the Sea of Marmara & Bosphorus Straits on the European & Asian Continent got a Tram the snakes it way between historic UNESCO World Heritage Sites...

San Francisco Located in the Bay Area of California got Trams that traverse hills & seasides with lots of tourists & lots of automobiles sharing the streets...

So many models that can be use for Simulation using Manila Scenarios and so many likely problems that can be used, so by the time it is time to built the Manila Bay Trams we had exhausted all possible Disaster Scenarios that it would be fool proofed when the real thing is built...
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Revival of Manila tram system eyed
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A consortium led by Greenergy Holdings Inc. is keen on investing close to $500 million to build a tram system in the city of Manila along a 10-kilometer stretch of Roxas Boulevard’s service road, the same route plied by the old street tram in the early 1900s.
In an interview at the sidelines of Philippine Infradev Holdings Inc.’s stockholders meeting, Greenergy chair Antonio Tiu said Greenergy has submitted a letter of intent (LOI) to the local government unit of Manila to build the tram under a joint venture agreement.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 09:33 AM   #18
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Feasibility Study and Possibly a PPP with the Cities of Manila and Pasay....

10 Km stretch of Roxas Boulevard possibly up to NAIA (if Pasay will agree)... if successful hopefully they will consider adding Buendia and avenues planking Rizal Park (Kalaw and Burgos)...
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Old October 26th, 2019, 06:58 PM   #19
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Baka iconnect to sa planned LRT2 West Extension
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Old October 30th, 2019, 03:13 PM   #20
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Imo it's not a good fit down Roxas blvd or at least not just yet, imo the entire blvd would need to be rehabilitated first and completely redesigned with more greenery bicycle lanes etc and making it less of a highway, ideally there should be some road tunnels underneath roxas blvd for those just transiting, allowing the surface road to be more touristy and peaceful with slower traffic, the seawall should probably also be redesigned to be a bit higher with a new promenade, then add some breakwaters off the coast and a sandy beach which would dampen waves during storms ... .

In the meantime i would first start a tram line by having one end stop at the north end of the Quirino grandstand, where there is a small container park area which imo should go and could be a perfect place for a Tramvia museum and yard, then have the line go down katigbak prkway in front of the manila hotel then down padre burgos rizal park all the way to the national museum, where it should turn right to taft avenue south until it reaches the united nations avenue where it should then turn left into, from there it should go straight to Pandacan and mayor isko's new planned cbd thing, where they could probably allocate some land for a 2nd tram yard, and if possible perhaps an extension to the Pandacan train station which could probably use some redevelopment as well, if again possible why not extend even further tram lines along the rail lines to Paco station and then along Quirino avenue to Manila zoo as the terminus .

The trams should imo either be a replica of the tramvia's or modern or a mix of them .

The first part of the line would pass through some touristy spots like museums intramuros etc, the 2nd area from the united nations avenue to Pandacan could probably use the development that such a line could bring, newly refurbished or resurfaced roads, new sewer and anti flood system and the power lines could also be buried, streets and sidewalks could be redimensioned, bit of beautification and gentrification here and there etc, before reaching the new cbd which surely should have an efficient mass transport system .

The problem sa Pinas as we all know is that development tend to occur in isolation rather than within the framework of a cohesive masterplan, and often at the whim of private developers who's main concern of course is making a profit for themselves rather than thinking of having an efficient or cohesive public infrastructure .





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