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Old February 26th, 2019, 10:49 PM   #1261
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Please write to the local authorityīs and let them know how you feel. International pressure is important as well. Vienna is still the most beautiful city in central Europe. Let's keep it that way.
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Old February 27th, 2019, 12:37 AM   #1262
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The problem of Austria is that it is an anti-capitalist country. There are taxes, regulations, no growing wealth for the masses, no free trade. There is a lack of foreign investment, there is a lack of domestic investment. There is a lack of a social capital stock that is growing. There is a lack of freedom of people and the market and far too much that could develop in all directions is stifled by laws because interest groups want to profit. These are not exclusively Austrian problems.

Quite simple. In free capitalism, supply and demand find the best possible coverage. But we live in a system where there are offers that meet with criticism again and again. People like here in the forum complain that the architecture does not like them, that they do not like the ground floor zone. There is always the impression that there is a demand that remains unsatisfied. Of course, the owner must decide how he designs his project. But when the supply side is regulated, it lacks a competition that can cover a wide variety of needs. The call for the state destroys the city and a city organized and developed by state institutions does not depict people in their diversity, who would shape the appearance of a city through trade co-operation and property rights.

One thing is certain: if capitalism is allowed to develop again in Austria, it not only helps poor people - contrary to anti-capitalist propaganda - but also the environment of people to meet their needs.
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Old February 27th, 2019, 12:44 AM   #1263
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The problem of Austria is that it is an anti-capitalist country. There are taxes, regulations, no growing wealth for the masses, no free trade. There is a lack of foreign investment, there is a lack of domestic investment. There is a lack of a social capital stock that is growing. There is a lack of freedom of people and the market and far too much that could develop in all directions is stifled by laws because interest groups want to profit. These are not exclusively Austrian problems.



Quite simple. In free capitalism, supply and demand find the best possible coverage. But we live in a system where there are offers that meet with criticism again and again. People like here in the forum complain that the architecture does not like them, that they do not like the ground floor zone. There is always the impression that there is a demand that remains unsatisfied. Of course, the owner must decide how he designs his project. But when the supply side is regulated, it lacks a competition that can cover a wide variety of needs. The call for the state destroys the city and a city organized and developed by state institutions does not depict people in their diversity, who would shape the appearance of a city through trade co-operation and property rights.



One thing is certain: if capitalism is allowed to develop again in Austria, it not only helps poor people - contrary to anti-capitalist propaganda - but also the environment of people to meet their needs.


How often do you want to come up with this bullshit again?

Thereís a lot of anti capitalism countries with high quality architecture. And e.g. the U.S. as a capitalist country has also a very low standard of architecture and especially planning on public space.

Keep your capitalist propaganda for yourself. The system in Austria works very good. With a very low rate of unemployment, poverty, homelessness and itía still one of the richest countries in the world. Even though it is such a welfare state.
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Old February 27th, 2019, 12:54 AM   #1264
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Capitalism should never be confused with state capitalism, regulated capitalism, corporatism or interventionism. But this confusion is the rule among humans. And only when this problem has been solved can there be a further development of human societies. Not previously. Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises have outlined what constitutes real capitalism. So one knows by this that today we live in a distorted image of it and therefore populist radicalism grows.
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Old February 27th, 2019, 01:08 AM   #1265
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You line out two libertarians. Congratulations. It would be the same if I would say that communism is good because Marx said so.

If you donít mean state capitalism then I donít get your point. Otherwise Austrians arenít less capitalist than people from other nations. Also the whole context in your first post was primarily about state capitalism in a broader sense.
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Old February 27th, 2019, 02:35 PM   #1266
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The problem of Austria is that it is an anti-capitalist country. There are taxes, regulations, no growing wealth for the masses, no free trade. There is a lack of foreign investment, there is a lack of domestic investment. There is a lack of a social capital stock that is growing. There is a lack of freedom of people and the market and far too much that could develop in all directions is stifled by laws because interest groups want to profit. These are not exclusively Austrian problems.

Quite simple. In free capitalism, supply and demand find the best possible coverage. But we live in a system where there are offers that meet with criticism again and again. People like here in the forum complain that the architecture does not like them, that they do not like the ground floor zone. There is always the impression that there is a demand that remains unsatisfied. Of course, the owner must decide how he designs his project. But when the supply side is regulated, it lacks a competition that can cover a wide variety of needs. The call for the state destroys the city and a city organized and developed by state institutions does not depict people in their diversity, who would shape the appearance of a city through trade co-operation and property rights.

One thing is certain: if capitalism is allowed to develop again in Austria, it not only helps poor people - contrary to anti-capitalist propaganda - but also the environment of people to meet their needs.
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Old February 27th, 2019, 03:38 PM   #1267
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Such a bullshit we have to read from our chinese capitalist boy!!
There is nothing to say about these stupid words!
Austria is one of the richests countries in this world actually, has perfect infrastructure and social conditions, and Vienna is the city with the best quality for living in the whole world!
Never to compare with countries in the second row like China, and also not with the most capitalist country USA!
I can’t imagine many places to live better than in Austria!
Really funny and astonishing meaning!!
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Old February 27th, 2019, 06:05 PM   #1268
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Let UK cities be a warning to Vienna!

If you let developers start picking away at the historic centre pretty soon it loses its continuity. Before long another developer comes along and says 'this was allowed to be built, why not mine'.

It is a slippery slope!
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Old May 19th, 2019, 11:53 AM   #1269
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About to be demolished (the three houses in the middle of the picture):

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Old May 19th, 2019, 11:55 AM   #1270
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Old May 19th, 2019, 12:08 PM   #1271
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Historical Art Nouveau hospitals, about to be demolished after years of neglect.



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Old May 19th, 2019, 12:21 PM   #1272
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Is already known what will replace these buildings, are there any renders?
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Old May 19th, 2019, 12:30 PM   #1273
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I couldn't find any renders, but considering what has been built in Vienna during the last few years, I don't really have high hopes.
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Old May 19th, 2019, 02:13 PM   #1274
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Worst most depressing thread on this forum, is there any city in the world that demolishes as many old buildings as Vienna does currently? Even chinese, indian ,south american cities seem to try to preserve more

Vienna title should be changed to Demolition & destruction Projects because that seems to be the only thing going on
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Old May 19th, 2019, 03:25 PM   #1275
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A people who praises that much far rights ideas absolutely deserves this. I feel not sorry at all for Vienna. It could even get worse, so at least the next generations would have more reasons to be ashamed of their parents and grand parents (though it seems even world war II wasn't enough for those people, so I'm afraid the entire destruction of Vienna wouldn't even be either)
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Old May 19th, 2019, 03:29 PM   #1276
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A people who praises that much far rights ideas absolutely deserves this. I feel not sorry at all for Vienna. It could even get worse, so at least the next generations would have more reasons to be ashamed of their parents and grand parents (though it seems even world war II wasn't enough for those people, so I'm afraid the entire destruction of Vienna wouldn't even be either)
What the heck are you talking about??
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Old May 19th, 2019, 03:43 PM   #1277
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A people who praises that much far rights ideas absolutely deserves this. I feel not sorry at all for Vienna. It could even get worse, so at least the next generations would have more reasons to be ashamed of their parents and grand parents (though it seems even world war II wasn't enough for those people, so I'm afraid the entire destruction of Vienna wouldn't even be either)

You know that austria isnít far right donít you? 3/4 of the people who voted didnít vote far right. The fpŲ was the junior partner in a coalition, nothing more. Far right in Austria isnít stronger than in any other European country. In fact I think it was a pretty good idea to let them govern. Weíve had a tough 1 1/2 years with them being in our government but now people realised how corrupt they are. I bet after the snap elections in September our far right will be weaker than in all the other European countries like Germany France or Sweden, who think the best thing to do with far right parties is to exclude them. They will just get stronger and stronger in those countries while in Austria they suffer a major setback.
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Old May 19th, 2019, 04:31 PM   #1278
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About to be demolished (the three houses in the middle of the picture):
I took a look at the street on Google maps. They chose three of the nicest buildings in the area to demolish. Seriously, there are few buildings as nice as these three on the blocks that are immediately adjacent which are also littered with modern atrocities. These three are in good condition too, sad.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/J%...3!4d16.3377203

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A people who praises that much far rights ideas absolutely deserves this. I feel not sorry at all for Vienna. It could even get worse, so at least the next generations would have more reasons to be ashamed of their parents and grand parents (though it seems even world war II wasn't enough for those people, so I'm afraid the entire destruction of Vienna wouldn't even be either)
Ridiculous comment. Vienna is not exactly a breeding ground for the big, bad far-right. In fact, the city is a stronghold for leftists and antifa so I don't see how you can blame FPO supporters for this. Moreover, it's the left that is making war on the past like this. I doubt any of the people that are arguing to redesign Notre Dame in some tasteless post-modern fashion are ideologically "far-right." Ditto Dresden where certain reconstructed quarters of the Neumarkt have been sabotaged with tasteless add-ons and "reinterpretations." I would be incredibly surprised if it was any different in Vienna.
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