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Old April 8th, 2015, 08:36 AM   #121
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For years Australia had the easiest path to the tournament as the Oceania champion, and that allowed them some developed pedigree heading into a considerably weak Asian Confederation. Slightly different compared to having the US and Mexico in your region.
Yeah, no

There was nothing easy about cake walking through the preliminary OFC qualification rounds (where European Clubs wouldn't release our best players) to then face off against a battle hardened South American nation. To be so close yet so far at the same time, Australia had to over come the likes of Uruguay who in recent World Cups have proven to be knockout round quality.

Granted, Australia did choke massively against Iran in failing to Qualify for France '98.
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Yeah, no

There was nothing easy about cake walking through the preliminary OFC qualification rounds (where European Clubs wouldn't release our best players) to then face off against a battle hardened South American nation. To be so close yet so far at the same time, Australia had to over come the likes of Uruguay who in recent World Cups have proven to be knockout round quality.

Granted, Australia did choke massively against Iran in failing to Qualify for France '98.
That still means qualification is essentially reduced to a two game playoff against the 5th best side from South America. Not exactly murderer's row.

But I'm not trying to discount Australia's success, just pointing out that Canada has more definitive obstacles in their path.
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Old April 13th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #123
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anyone thinks that UAE might host any of the Big four (FIFA WC 2030 or 2034-Olympics 2028-World Games 2025-Universiade 2021) or continental events( Asian games 2023- Pan Arab games 2019)
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Old April 13th, 2015, 10:07 PM   #124
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anyone thinks that UAE might host any of the Big four (FIFA WC 2030 or 2034-Olympics 2028-World Games 2025-Universiade 2021) or continental events( Asian games 2023- Pan Arab games 2019)
Is this a question? If it is I think obviously anything is possible, and that particularly for the athletics competitions it would be relatively easier compared to hosting a world cup. But this assumes FIFA establishes some criteria regarding the size of future hosts or at least clarifies demands regarding numbers of stadia within metro areas. If they can resolve the participation, for instance, I would be much more supportive of a World Cup spread across the UAE & Qatar than just within one tiny state.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 05:53 PM   #125
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it is a question... and i don't see climate far from being one of the criteria in the future, however; size of state isn't important if it has the capacity and money to do so.... i am working now on a business plan for UAE planning council to host sporting event and we r putting criteria for any of the above events( as part of our business consulting department)...frankly speaking i guess UAE is up to something big after 2020
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Old April 14th, 2015, 06:20 PM   #126
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The size of the state is regarded as important by people who want to attend events.
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Old April 14th, 2015, 07:22 PM   #127
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anyone thinks that UAE might host any of the Big four (FIFA WC 2030 or 2034-Olympics 2028-World Games 2025-Universiade 2021) or continental events( Asian games 2023- Pan Arab games 2019)
For the WC 2030, it is impossible unless FIFA changes the law.
Country from the same confederation cannot bid for the next two events.(QATAR 2022)

Plus there is this rumors that Uruguay and Argentina will host it to celebrate a century of FIFA WC.
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The size of the state is regarded as important by people who want to attend events.
The size of the host nation/state is indeed important on several fronts, and that's why FIFA needs to have this clarified going forward so that the questions with Qatar are not raised again.

- Stadium legacies. Few metro areas need more than 3-4 World Cup-grade stadiums, let alone 6-8 or more. So you need to have the event dispersed over enough communities to know the resulting venues will be viable after the games. This also speaks to construction costs, as the smaller the nation the more likely the need to build or expand venues to host a full World Cup. Scotland and Portugal would be hard pressed to host alone, for example, without extensive construction costs and resulting in many white elephants. (or a lot of temporary venues)

To say nothing of ensuring the host communities have enough space for team training facilities, as well.

- Hotel logistics. If FIFA and the host nations want to realize the volume of travelers hoped for then you need to be able to spread those guests out over a volume of guest beds. If you have the event in too small a space then you've got an issue similar to the stadiums: Too large a demand for a temporary condition, resulting in either truly extravagant expenses up front and/or overcrowding issues that spoil the event. At a certain volume of people even large open spaces and attractions like Disney World can become so crowded they're no fun at all, and even dangerous.

Or the fear of such conditions ends up keeping people away from the event, which FIFA does not want to see.

- Defeating the purpose of economic development. The extent that these events are used to spur tourism and redevelopment means host nations want to include games and programs across the land and in areas outside of the norm. England's bid made a point of trying to foster new projects in Bristol and Nottingham, for instance. If you're going to use these games to milk that one chance for significant investments, then do it wisely and don't put all your eggs in one basket, as it were.


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With Qatar FIFA has enabled a precedent that runs counter to these theories and opened a Pandora's box regarding the handling of future bids. In order to ensure such situations don't happen again, and to ensure that future bids are being cast against like-minded competition, FIFA needs to clarify their expectations and demands regarding the logistics behind host nation sizes and demography. Then if they want to find a means of making smaller nations eligible they should find a way to better enable co-hosting.
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That still means qualification is essentially reduced to a two game playoff against the 5th best side from South America. Not exactly murderer's row.

But I'm not trying to discount Australia's success, just pointing out that Canada has more definitive obstacles in their path.
From afar it may seem that way. Qualification has actually been easier after moving to a proper qualifying series in asia where you can afford a slip-up or two against the best team rather than a one-off home and away match against a top south american side.

Playing away in south america against a manic south american side (and supporters) desperate to win the one match at all costs was incredibly difficult. We are all relieved those days are gone. In those days we all dreamed about being in something like CONCAF instead even though that would still have been hard.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 03:58 PM   #130
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England could bid for 2030 World Cup says FA vice-chairman David Gill


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FA chairman Greg Dyke said England would only bid there was a fair and appropriate process - sentiments echoed by new FIFA vice-president Gill

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-world-5427991
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Old August 27th, 2015, 04:06 AM   #131
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Perhaps Uruguay can work out a joint bid with Argentina. I don't think it could all take place in Uruguay, as it surely would have to spread out to Buenos Aires, and perhaps Cordoba and Rosario.

Other than that, if FIFA wants to go to Europe, please make it be England.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 06:14 AM   #132
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this one has to be held in uruguay
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Old August 28th, 2015, 09:34 AM   #133
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Perhaps Uruguay can work out a joint bid with Argentina. I don't think it could all take place in Uruguay, as it surely would have to spread out to Buenos Aires, and perhaps Cordoba and Rosario.

Other than that, if FIFA wants to go to Europe, please make it be England.
I would support a Uruguay-Argentina bid if Uruguay had at least 5 venues, in 5 cities, with Argentina having 7 or 8.

The Uruguayan venues can be downsized post WC, with the iconic Centennario upgraded to at least 100,000.

The Uruguayan cities could be:
Montevideo - Centennario (Expanded to 100,000)
Punta del Este - New Stadium (60,000)
Salto - New Stadium (40,000+)
Paysandú - New Stadium (40,000+)
Rivera - New Stadium (40,000+)

Argentina could have:
Buenos Aires - Antonio Vespucio Liberti (Expanded to 70,000+)
Mendoza - Estadio Malvinas Argentinas (40,268)
Salta - Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena (Expanded from 20,408 to 40,000+)
San Juan - Estadio del Bicentenario (Expanded from 25,000 to 40,000+)
La Plata - Estadio Único (Temporarily all seated at 40,000+)
Mar Del Plata - Estadio José Maria Minella (Expanded to 60,000+)
Córdoba - Estadio Mario Alberto Kempes (57,000)
Rosario - New Stadium (50,000+) or an Expansion of one of their existing stadiums

With regards to Uruguay, yes infrastructure will need to be developed in most cases. You expand the existing airports (much like what Brazil did) and invest in more roads, bus lines etc. Have major hotel chains invest in hotels and other forms of accommodation too. It could work, with the new stadiums downsized post WC for local clubs.
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It would be a big battle between :

-England: football creator and among first modern championships
-Uruguay/Argentina: first WC in Uruguay

Both bids have legitimacies to host the 100th years for WC.
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I don't usually like joint bids where one country has a larger number of venues than the other. This I think was one of the big weaknesses of the Spain/Portugal bid for 2018 where the plan was to allocate 8 venues to Spain and 4 to Portugal. This didn't make sense at all since Portugal has some good infrastructure after hosting Euro 2004 where 10 stadia were used.

In this case the ratio of 7 venues in Argentina to 5 in Uruguay is not bad given the fact that Uruguay is a very small country.

I still prefer England though in case 2026 was not hosted in Europe

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I would support a Uruguay-Argentina bid if Uruguay had at least 5 venues, in 5 cities, with Argentina having 7 or 8.

The Uruguayan venues can be downsized post WC, with the iconic Centennario upgraded to at least 100,000.

The Uruguayan cities could be:
Montevideo - Centennario (Expanded to 100,000)
Punta del Este - New Stadium (60,000)
Salto - New Stadium (40,000+)
Paysandú - New Stadium (40,000+)
Rivera - New Stadium (40,000+)

Argentina could have:
Buenos Aires - Antonio Vespucio Liberti (Expanded to 70,000+)
Mendoza - Estadio Malvinas Argentinas (40,268)
Salta - Estadio Padre Ernesto Martearena (Expanded from 20,408 to 40,000+)
San Juan - Estadio del Bicentenario (Expanded from 25,000 to 40,000+)
La Plata - Estadio Único (Temporarily all seated at 40,000+)
Mar Del Plata - Estadio José Maria Minella (Expanded to 60,000+)
Córdoba - Estadio Mario Alberto Kempes (57,000)
Rosario - New Stadium (50,000+) or an Expansion of one of their existing stadiums

With regards to Uruguay, yes infrastructure will need to be developed in most cases. You expand the existing airports (much like what Brazil did) and invest in more roads, bus lines etc. Have major hotel chains invest in hotels and other forms of accommodation too. It could work, with the new stadiums downsized post WC for local clubs.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 06:17 PM   #136
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Old August 28th, 2015, 09:58 PM   #137
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this one has to be held in uruguay
the same way 1996 olympics had to be held by Athens


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It would be a big battle between :

-England: football creator and among first modern championships
-Uruguay/Argentina: first WC in Uruguay

Both bids have legitimacies to host the 100th years for WC.
yeah, but I bet USA has more chances to host it

you know, because of money and sponsors will
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the same way 1996 olympics had to be held by Athens
The Irony is that a 1996 Athens Centennial Olympics might have been "less is more" than their extravagant 2004 Games.

There would have been no new airport, no tram network and their stadium would have definitely just undergone minor cosmetic upgrades, such as a new colour video board.

Yes, there might have been a cost overrun in regards to these Games, but that fiscal mismanagement would have been clear to the EU, as to not let Greece in the Eurozone.
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I don't usually like joint bids where one country has a larger number of venues than the other. This I think was one of the big weaknesses of the Spain/Portugal bid for 2018 where the plan was to allocate 8 venues to Spain and 4 to Portugal. This didn't make sense at all since Portugal has some good infrastructure after hosting Euro 2004 where 10 stadia were used.

In this case the ratio of 7 venues in Argentina to 5 in Uruguay is not bad given the fact that Uruguay is a very small country.

I still prefer England though in case 2026 was not hosted in Europe
Many perceive Uruguay having 5 or even 4 venues as too much for a small country. Simply having them host the Final or have 2-3 venues at most is rather pointless. Why not just have Argentina host the whole thing, with 2 venues in Buenos Aires, the Monumental Stadium and a new one exceeding 80,000 capacity?

So, you beef up Uruguay's offerings to 5 cities with 5 venues. It could work, you just need to start developing now.
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Argentina and Montevideo. If they get it in 2030 it's for the centenary and historical purposes as they played the first final in Montevideo. Use that stadium for the final, semi final and each round before and host the rest in Argentina.

It'd give Uruguay the chance to really modernize one of the games most historical arenas as it's a bit of a hovel now.
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