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Old May 30th, 2018, 06:23 PM   #15481
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Sign switching & copy/paste at the Almere motorway interchange this past weekend. They reconfigured the interchange coming from A27, northbound traffic now makes a right turn on a new ramp.

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What happened to the fact that new traffic signs should always get upwards positioned arrows instead of downwards?
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Old May 30th, 2018, 06:32 PM   #15482
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I think they'll install new signs later on in the project.
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Old May 30th, 2018, 09:51 PM   #15483
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Still old style with arrows pointing down .

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N420 Woerden

New provincial road N420 opened to traffic today in Utrecht province. It links Woerden to the A12 Nieuwerbrug exit.

Soil conditions in this part of the Netherlands are extremely poor, they built the embankments in 2012 and had to let it settle for over 5 years. The railroad bridge was built in 2012 as well. The actual road was built and paved in only a few weeks.

It is the final part of the "A12 BRAVO / SALTO" programme, which realized a number of local road upgrades along A12 in Utrecht province. N421 to Houten and N419 to Harmelen were also part of this programme.

BRAVO = Brede Regionale Aanpak Voorkomt Oponthoud
SALTO = Samenwerken Aan LangereTermijnOplossing



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Old June 2nd, 2018, 01:53 PM   #15485
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A1

A1 near Hilversum has shoulder running since 2011. The average traffic volume is 120,000 - 126,000 vehicles per day, so these shoulder running lanes are almost always open, even on Saturdays and Sundays.

However motorways built until the late 1960s were constructed with a more limited foundation under the shoulder. The pavement is now collapsing on that section, as the foundation was not designed for continuous heavy traffic usage. It will probably require some deep pavement rehabilitation in the near future. Perhaps even a total shoulder reconstruction to prevent it from happening elsewhere.

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Old June 11th, 2018, 01:18 PM   #15486
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From the Dutch Forum an update on the tunnel project for the A9 at Amstelveen where a run was organised:

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Start en finish atletiekbaan van Feniks in het Nelson Mandelapark (Start and finish of Feniks in the Nelson Mandela Park)


De tunnel bovenop van het uitkijkpunt in het park (The tunnel from the view point in the park)


Oostelijke ingang tunnel (Eastern entrance of the tunnel)


In de tunnel (Inside the tunnel)
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Old June 11th, 2018, 01:33 PM   #15487
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Still old style with arrows pointing down .

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What happened to the fact that new traffic signs should always get upwards positioned arrows instead of downwards?

Upwards positioned arrows looks very Swedish! Germany have it too, but they introdused it later than Sweden.

Why do they change to upwards positioned arrows in The Netherlands?
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Old June 11th, 2018, 01:49 PM   #15488
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They tested it, and apperently it makes driver choose lanes quicker. Mainly at interchanges with a double right turn-off (like a cloverleaf). with upwards arrows you can "show" the layout of the lanes, with down arrows its much harder.
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Old June 11th, 2018, 02:04 PM   #15489
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Still old style with arrows pointing down .

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The combination of upwards-pointing signs and downward-pointing traffic lights for the same lanes is somewhat controversial.



The green arrow of traffic lights must point downwards by the Vienna Convention.
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Old June 11th, 2018, 02:38 PM   #15490
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From the Dutch Forum an update on the tunnel project for the A9 at Amstelveen where a run was organised:
This is Gaasperdammertunnel in Amsterdam.
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Old June 11th, 2018, 03:22 PM   #15491
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You are correct, my apologies. The Gaasperdammertunnel is on Amsterdam soil. But it is a tunnel in the A9. At Amstelveen no tunnel will be build but the road will be widened and deepened to reduce traffic noise.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 03:38 PM   #15492
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The combination of upwards-pointing signs and downward-pointing traffic lights for the same lanes is somewhat controversial.



The green arrow of traffic lights must point downwards by the Vienna Convention.
Yes, and the Netherlands has lots of green arrows! Every 600 m on motorways with traffic management.


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Old June 13th, 2018, 01:34 AM   #15493
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Yes, and the Netherlands has lots of green arrows! Every 600 m on motorways with traffic management.


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Most European countries had downwards positioned arrows on the signs when the Vienna Convention for green arrow of traffic lights was new. I think in that time even Germany had downwards positioned arrows on the signs in that time. So maybe its time to change the Vienna Convention for that?

Upwards positioned arrows looks very Swedish. Maybe Germany get it from Sweden when they changed the signs?

The old signs in the Netherlands looks more American than European.

The new signs in the Netherlands looks very European. I think they are a mix of the signs in Germany and Sweden. The upwards positioned arrows looks like Sweden and Germany. The blue colour and the font looks more German. But the exitnumber looks more Swedish in the style, except for the blue colour. The E-number in the sign looks more Swedish
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N69

The Council of State has rejected the final appeals against the construction of N69 as a two-lane express road west of Valkenswaard. This closes a 2-year legal battle against N69.

N69 will be a 1x2, 80 km/h express road that bypasses Valkenswaard and Aalst, providing a direct route to A67. The present-day N69 through Aalst carries 28,000 vehicles per day.

N69 used to be planned as a motorway: A69 directly from "De Hogt" (A2/A67) motorway interchange to Belgian N74. The whole corridor is one legal mess, with Belgian N74 through Houthalen-Helchteren also being delayed every year.

The clearance for N69 only applies to the provincially built section (in red on the map below). The interchange with A67 is planned by the municipality of Veldhoven and is delayed over a broader issue about nitrogen deposition which has stalled at the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg for 2 years now.


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N34

The Council of State has also rejected the last appeals against the twinning of N34 in Drenthe province, between the Coevorden-Noord interchange and the Holsloot motorway interchange with A37.

Construction will likely begin next year. It is a straightfordward project, present-day N34 is a super two expressway with plenty of space for a second carriageway.

It is part of a larger upgrade project of several sections of N34 in Drenthe province.

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Old June 13th, 2018, 04:59 PM   #15496
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The old signs in the Netherlands looks more American than European.

Correct. I just checked with my uncle. He told me that the head of Dienst Verkeer of Rijkswaterstaat made in the ‘60s a study trip to the USA.
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A44 Leiden

A44 under construction at Leiden in 1962.

There is an unused bridge on the upper right of the photo. It was built during the 1930s.

It still exists as part of a sports park.

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There is an unused bridge on the upper right of the photo. It was built during the 1930s.
Interesting! Do you know what it was supposed to part of? Is it this structure?
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Yes that's it. It was built in 1938 as part of rijksweg 4, which was then the motorway under construction from Amsterdam to The Hague. By 1939, the motorway was completed from Amsterdam to Oegstgeest, but the war delayed the remainder through Leiden and after World War II a more westerly alignment was chosen.

Here's an article in Dutch about some of the remains of rijksweg 4 / 4b in Leiden: https://www.leidschdagblad.nl/leiden...ksweg-4b-prijs
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Interesting! Do you know what it was supposed to part of? Is it this structure?

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Yes that's it. It was built in 1938 as part of rijksweg 4, which was then the motorway under construction from Amsterdam to The Hague. By 1939, the motorway was completed from Amsterdam to Oegstgeest, but the war delayed the remainder through Leiden and after World War II a more westerly alignment was chosen.

Here's an article in Dutch about some of the remains of rijksweg 4 / 4b in Leiden: https://www.leidschdagblad.nl/leiden...ksweg-4b-prijs

Interesting! A motorway bridge that is never used, and now is a builing at a sports park. I think not many at the sports park know this is a part of a motorway that was never built
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