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Old April 30th, 2019, 02:03 AM   #1
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Martineau Galleries | Dale End | Major Mixed-Use Redevelopment

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Application Number: 2019/03575/PA
Application Type: Full Planning
Site Address: Martineau Galleries Birmingham B4 7LA
Proposal: Environmental Impact Assessment scoping report for proposed development of up to 255,000 sqm of mixed use floorspace including office, hotel, retail and entertainment and leisure and up to 1,300 residential units with associated infrastructure works
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The current plan is for the existing buildings to be replaced by four to seven buildings between ten and fifty storeys tall, surrounding a public square - WSP




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The proposed redevelopment will include the demolition of all buildings and structures within the site and the mixed-use development of up to 255,000 sq m of floorspace, including commercial, residential, retail, leisure and food and beverage uses (hereafter referred to as the ‘Proposed Scheme’).
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The planning application will be submitted in outline with all matters reserved save for access.
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At this stage it is anticipated that the Proposed Scheme will include up to 130,000 sq m of B1 office floorspace; up to 1,300 residential units (approximately 105,000 sq m); up to 400 hotel bedrooms (approximately 20,000 sq m); and up to 27,500 sq m of A1-A5 / D2 floorspace. The total overall floorspace associated with the Proposed Scheme will not exceed 255,000 sq m
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The planning application will be submitted to and determined by Birmingham City Council (BCC) as Local Planning Authority (LPA). At this stage, it is anticipated that the application will be submitted in summer 2019 with planning permission anticipated to be granted in late 2019. This would enable construction to commence as early as 2021 with completion of the scheme anticipated in 2038

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4.16 It is anticipated that the Proposed Scheme will be delivered in several phases over a 15 year period - 2038

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Old April 30th, 2019, 02:32 AM   #2
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Wow 2038...half of us will be dead by then
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Old April 30th, 2019, 02:47 AM   #3
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Excellent find Pep.


So mostly office and residential with some leisure and retail. And up to 50 storeys in height. Hopefully, a stunningly attractive development. And hopefully they can stick to their dates too.


On that note, I shall now retire for a deep refreshing sleep.
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Old April 30th, 2019, 04:50 AM   #4
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Imagine 50fl of glass 🤤 this is going to be huge but the time scale is something else...
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Old April 30th, 2019, 06:32 AM   #5
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4. High Level Description of the Proposed Scheme
Overview of Site Preparations
4.1 All temporary and permanent works will take place within the EIA Study Boundary as shown in Appendix 1.
4.2 In order to facilitate the comprehensive redevelopment of the site, all existing above ground buildings and structures will be demolished using mechanical demolition techniques. This will be undertaken following any necessary enabling /remediation work. It is also anticipated that the majority of the 27 existing trees on site will be removed.
4.3 Below ground, the proposed scheme will seek to retain as much of the existing basement construction to the west of Dale End as is practicable, which will set the proposed levels for below ground basement car park. In some parts of the existing basement, the existing levels are currently higher than the main slab, meaning levels in these areas will need to be lowered.
4.4 To the east of Dale End a new part basement service yard is proposed, which will require excavations below the existing ground level.
4.5 The development will be delivered in a series of phases. Whilst the precise phasing has not been established at this stage, it is considered that there are two main options for phasing, with development either commencing on the western part of the Site and moving eastwards, or vice versa. The phasing will be influenced by: the timescales for the construction of HS2 and the Midland Metro Eastside Extension; the construction of a new podium spanning over the existing Dale End; and, market conditions.
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Old April 30th, 2019, 06:35 AM   #6
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Also if construction is to start in 2021, then demo is at least going to start end of this year? Surely if everything goes to plan
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Old April 30th, 2019, 10:14 AM   #7
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I always hate it when a developer proposes to 'start again' and clear everything away like BullRing did with the Bull Ring. But except for the alternative shopping in the Oasis I'm struggling to see what architectural gems can be saved around this whole area? I mean, usually interesting to have different styles and ages instead of a square mile of glass by 1 architect?
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Old April 30th, 2019, 11:12 AM   #8
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Gateway to HS2 - over 17 years. 147,000 sqft per year on average. Embarrassing timescale.
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Old April 30th, 2019, 12:21 PM   #9
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Pleased to see the building behing mcclaren included too.

I hope this is phased so at least the time scale is a little more acceptable, something like three phases: 1 and 2 before 2026 then 3 by 2038 :P
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Old April 30th, 2019, 02:00 PM   #10
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Some of this will need planning pretty sharpish - especially as the tram extension runs straight through the site where buildings currently stand
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Old April 30th, 2019, 02:17 PM   #11
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This is going to be huge.. Glad to see they are aiming to put the planning app in in Summer 2019.
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Some of this will need planning pretty sharpish - especially as the tram extension runs straight through the site where buildings currently stand
The demolition of the building for the tram is already approved by the T&W Act i believe.
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Gateway to HS2 - over 17 years. 147,000 sqft per year on average. Embarrassing timescale.


Yes, I was a bit surprised about the timescale. Perhaps they're factoring in a possible recession or two over the next twenty years.
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Some interesting bits:

'Generally, there will be no vehicular access into the development at ground level (other than potential emergency access and taxi drop-off) and all vehicular access, servicing and deliveries will take place at basement level.'

pedestrianisation and public realms woo!

'Private vehicular access into the basement car park will be via the existing access under Priory Queensway (Dale End). As part of the Proposed Scheme Dale End will be ‘stopped up’ and will provide direct access into the basement of the development only.'

One of Birmingham's oldest streets it would be nice to preserve it above ground but at present it's terrifying to walk through at the moment, good to see a rationalised levelling of the area.

'A set out in Paragraph 4.6, as part of the Proposed Scheme, a new podium will be constructed which will span over the existing Dale End and, combined with excavations to take place to the east of Dale End, will allow for the existing basement to be expanded.

It is anticipated that the Proposed Scheme will be delivered in several phases over a 15 year period. The first phase will likely commence between 2022 and 2023, with completion of the Scheme anticipated by 2038.'

We must hear something soon then
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Old April 30th, 2019, 02:42 PM   #15
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Whilst the timescale is huge, it is also a huge site with several key roads running in and around it. I hope that whatever is proposed is of good quality to pick the part of town up, it Dale End seems to look worse every time I go past it. It would be nice for the hotel to be 5* as this will really be a blank canvas.
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Old April 30th, 2019, 02:53 PM   #16
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No one's mentioned that the 50 storey building, admittedly not guaranteed at this stage, could be offices.

200m?
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I'm actually more excited for the beautiful sight of seeing this demolished more than a tower if I am honest.
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No one's mentioned that the 50 storey building, admittedly not guaranteed at this stage, could be offices.

200m?


50fl office would be really crazy but definitely over 200m it more likely to residential if anything. However an office 50fl tower would be crazy in a good way
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I'm actually more excited for the beautiful sight of seeing this demolished more than a tower if I am honest.


OMG the car parks finally....
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Some interesting bits:

'Generally, there will be no vehicular access into the development at ground level (other than potential emergency access and taxi drop-off) and all vehicular access, servicing and deliveries will take place at basement level.'

pedestrianisation and public realms woo!

'Private vehicular access into the basement car park will be via the existing access under Priory Queensway (Dale End). As part of the Proposed Scheme Dale End will be ‘stopped up’ and will provide direct access into the basement of the development only.'

One of Birmingham's oldest streets it would be nice to preserve it above ground but at present it's terrifying to walk through at the moment, good to see a rationalised levelling of the area.

'A set out in Paragraph 4.6, as part of the Proposed Scheme, a new podium will be constructed which will span over the existing Dale End and, combined with excavations to take place to the east of Dale End, will allow for the existing basement to be expanded.

It is anticipated that the Proposed Scheme will be delivered in several phases over a 15 year period. The first phase will likely commence between 2022 and 2023, with completion of the Scheme anticipated by 2038.'

We must hear something soon then
I guess a site of this size, application S19, approval early 2020, demo second half 2020 through to 2022 ? Is 2 years realistic?
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