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Old April 18th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #21
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Dreaming of a bullet train ride from San Fernando, La Union all the way down to the Bicol Region.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 09:54 AM   #22
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Points taken. Question: if we will do an express train, how would it look like? How many stations do you think it will have, and will we do quadruple-tracking (4 rail tracks), in which two tracks will be for local service and the other two for express service? What kind of train cars will be used, and will it connect to the LRT and/or MRT network (e.g. Interlining)?


Isang halimbawa o sagot dyan sa tanong mo ay ang MTR express sa chep lak kok sa hong kong.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 09:58 AM   #23
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Oonga! Wag lang nega mga taong nakapalibot. since feasible naman siya na ilagay yung tracks in between lanes of NLEX, magiging posible to
Regardless na makatulong ito sa Clark Airport or hindi, which at this point, I dont think it will based from the opinion of other aviation experts, it will still benefit the commuters especially if they are planning on discouraging more people to live in metro manila and to spread the population outside. Granted that the fare would be affordable and that they would do away with having it subsidized. I'd say go ahead and build HSR for the benefit of the people instead.
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Dreaming of a bullet train ride from San Fernando, La Union all the way down to the Bicol Region.
That would be a splendid dream indeed. The big question is, where will you put a central train terminal for high-speed trains from Northern and Southern Luzon? And will it be two separate stations (with a bus transfer) or will it be a unified station with continuous rail tracks? And how often would you like to see those high-speed trains operate?
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Isang halimbawa o sagot dyan sa tanong mo ay ang MTR express sa chep lak kok sa hong kong.
Tama. I'm leaning more towards Japan, though, where their rail network is so advanced, I truly want to emulate that model for the Philippines, especially that our country is similar to Japan being an island nation... it's just that we haven't tapped our fullest potentials yet.
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Points taken. Question: if we will do an express train, how would it look like? How many stations do you think it will have, and will we do quadruple-tracking (4 rail tracks), in which two tracks will be for local service and the other two for express service? What kind of train cars will be used, and will it connect to the LRT and/or MRT network (e.g. Interlining)?
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But I sense this idea is a bit different since it will run through the median of NLEX, which is a novel idea than constructing it along the existing PNR Northrail tracks. On top of that, I am interested at how the tunneling will be done to connect the expressway with the airport and as it enters Metro Manila.
No, it was the same one MVP studied in the past, he did it is more complicated than what he previously thought but like i said, if this other theme will be able to get this materialized, then by all means have it done already, I hate it when it's all just publicity.
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New $3-Billion Train.

Maybe this is the reason why Metro Pacific bidded a very small P300M for NAIA Expressway... maybe they're saving for this train project.

It's still in planning stage,
but at least they've started talking. It's got to start from there, right?
So, yes, I'm happy with this news.

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Old April 18th, 2013, 10:42 AM   #28
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Hi guys!

I checked CRK thread and it's planned and talked about way back in 2004 here in SSC to have rapid transit for the airport connecting to Metro Manila. They look at the plans to be something like Narita to Tokyo since the distance between the two are very similar.

IMHO, it's better for this train to connect through large bus stations so that commuters would have a seamless travel from south. I've read the thread about Intermodal Bus station of Ayala land in FTI, Taguig, and it's a better plan to connect the express train there. In that way, it can also connect the commuters from NAIA to DMIA via NAIA Expressway. (then next station in North connecting MRT7, MRT3 and LRT1)

However, I don't agree having several stops inside Manila since it would affect the rapidness of the train if it's already functioning.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #29
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I checked CRK thread and it's planned and talked about way back in 2004 here in SSC to have rapid transit for the airport connecting to Metro Manila. They look at the plans to be something like Narita to Tokyo since the distance between the two are very similar.

IMHO, it's better for this train to connect through large bus stations so that commuters would have a seamless travel from south. I've read the thread about Intermodal Bus station of Ayala land in FTI, Taguig, and it's a better plan to connect the express train there. In that way, it can also connect the commuters from NAIA to DMIA via NAIA Expressway. (then next station in North connecting MRT7, MRT3 and LRT1)

However, I don't agree having several stops inside Manila since it would affect the rapidness of the train if it's already functioning.
I also don't know the other two stations in Manila. BGC is a sure one per plan.
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wow propaganda release.... asa tayo diyan!
yeah right, this is the nth press release. kung yung lrt cavite extension nga ay inabot na halos ng 20 years eh ito pang bullet train...
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Old April 18th, 2013, 11:57 AM   #31
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teka teka!? Bullet Train? Express Airport Trains?
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New $3-Billion Train.

Maybe this is the reason why Metro Pacific bidded a very small P300M for NAIA Expressway... maybe they're saving for this train project.

It's still in planning stage,
but at least they've started talking. It's got to start from there, right?
So, yes, I'm happy with this news.
US$ 3 Billion Bullet Train? LOL! The North Rail project will be more expensive than the CIA!

But if this is the investment made by the owners, under a BOT scheme. We should be ready to cough an additional PhP 750-1,000 for a one-way train ticket on top of our air ticket.

Moreover, the cost of goods and other stuff that would pass through CIA if they make it as a primary gateway of the country would mean additional logistical cost as well.
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However, I don't agree having several stops inside Manila since it would affect the rapidness of the train if it's already functioning.
Having a number of stops with a target of 45 minutes travel time does not cut it, the assumption of reaching Clark in 45 mins is usually through a continous and smooth moving trip. Having said these, if there are check in centers where the passengers would be able to check in luggages would probably get the movement a bit difficult and would affect the flow of the movement because that would mean the train needs to have an area for cargo and you know how that goes? It's not about the movement of the train per se, its how the operation would get interrupted in some stops. Never-the-less, HSR would still be smooth sail in comparison with at grade commute using bus or what have you especially if the bus would traverse through the traffic inside metro manila. Now, with exits using skyways connected to NLEX would probably help commuting to Clark as more effective especially if you are going to be in a private vehicle or taxicabs, but then taxi would be real expensive as well. Perhaps the Philtranco buses that takes passengers to Clark would probably be the one who would be benefitting from SLEX-NLEX connector.
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US$ 3 Billion Bullet Train? LOL! The North Rail project will be more expensive than the CIA!

But if this is the investment made by the owners, under a BOT scheme. We should be ready to cough an additional PhP 750-1,000 for a one-way train ticket on top of our air ticket.

Moreover, the cost of goods and other stuff that would pass through CIA if they make it as a primary gateway of the country would mean additional logistical cost as well.
the Northrail project would've actually cost around $1.2 billion... and it has very similar qualities with express trains anyway: standard gauge and viaducts (no at-grade crossings); only difference is the line is not electrified (although it could be in the future) and the turn radius isn't as large as those in high speed lines...

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really??? lol dreaming kung lrt extension mukang malabong malabong matuloy ito pakaya
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and the average speed of Northrail is only 50 kph
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and the average speed of Northrail is only 50 kph
if that's true, then it's actually pretty fast for a mass transit...

considering the numerous stations and their distance from each other...

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Manila-Clark bullet train: Coming soon?

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POSTED ON 04/18/2013 2:07 PM | UPDATED 04/18/2013 3:36 PM

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MANILA, Philippines - Pangilinan-led Metro Pacific Investment Corp. (MPIC) is still keen on undertaking the government's bullet train project between Manila and Clark should it push through.

Asked to respond to a report that the government is studying how to proceed with the rail project meant to boost Clark's chances as alternative or main gateway, MPIC Vice President for Corporate Communications Melody del Rosario said they are still keen on undertaking the project but have not submitted any proposal to the government.

"We've always been interested in that (bullet train project). We have expressed our interest. We want to participate if government will bid it out," del Rosario said.

However, the project seems a long shot since it remains in the early stages of project evaluation and has a long way to go before it reaches the bidding phase.

Only when the government has decided on its airport strategy -- whether Clark will become the main in place of, or alternative international airport to, congested Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) in Manila -- will the rail project proceed.

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Officials have long said they intend to build a bullet train system, similar to Japan and China.

In an Apri 18 story, Manila Bulletin said the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) said the proposed bullet train will be constructed on the North Luzon Luzon Expressway (NLEx).

MPIC unit, Manila North Tollways Corporation (MNTC) operates and maintains NLEx.

The bullet train will reportedly have 3 stops - Trinoma or SM North in Quezon City; Dimasalang or the University of Santo Tomas in Manila; and Buendia Avenue in Makati City.

However, NEDA Infrastructure Staff Director Librado F. Quitoriano said the agency has not received any related proposal from the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC), which is the project proponent.

Quitoriano said the project has not even been mentioned in the last Infrastructure Committee (Infracom) meeting last April 12. The DOTC, he said, could present its plans in the next Infracom meeting which is still being set as of this article's posting.

The NEDA official also said the agency knows that there is a project known as "Airport Express Rail" but have not been furnished project details.

"Wala pa sa NEDA yung documents. DOTC will be the one to submit that to NEDA because we do not receive direct proposals from the private sector," Quitoriano said.

Constructing a bullet train was already proposed before but it was scrapped due to technical concerns. The initial plan was for the bullet train to run parallel the Philippine National Railways (PNR).

The project remains under the "evaluation" stage," Transportation Undersecretary for planning Rene Limcaoco told Rappler when asked how the project is moving along.

Decisions

Part of the evaluation process is to choose whether the proposed rail will use the old PNR (Philippine National Railway) alignment or the NLEx alignment to connect Metro Manila to Clark.

Most parts of the PNR alignment are currently the same tracks meant for the scuttled roll out of the Northrail project, which was hounded by legal and regulatory issues. The ongoing territorial dispute between the Philippines and China, which won the Northrail project under the Arroyo administration, has further dampened the chances of the key rail project originally designed to connect Manila and Clark.

A rail project between the two gateways is crucial to make the airport in Clark, Pampanga more accessible, and for airlines to boost their domestic and international operations in Clark airport.

Investors are urging the government to finally decide on a plan to develop the Clark airport, saying the delay has affected their businesses in the area. - Rappler.com
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