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Old October 23rd, 2017, 03:36 PM   #21
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Ano yan? Fully elevated o may mga at-grade?
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 03:41 PM   #22
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Ano yan? Fully elevated o may mga at-grade?
At grade with grade complete grade separation for every major raoad interzections.. Box culverts for pefestrian and animal crossings..
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 04:46 PM   #23
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Ahh dapat lahat may mga fencing ang sides para hindi sila tumatawid at makakaiwas pa sa aksidente
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Old October 24th, 2017, 02:25 AM   #24
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While her concerns are valid

May nag bulong ba kay Mam na:

- TOTAL RECONSTRUCTION of the entire MLS - you name it, we have to totally build / replace it
- TOTAL DEMOLITION of squatters who have benefited from state land for too long
- EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING MLS to Matnog, Sorsogon [hanggang dun sa Pier]

PPP for PNR clearly did not work under the BPE. The capital outlay needed is just too massive for our local oligarchs.

We BAAAADLY need to fix our railway system. Tourism especially economic potential [freight/cargo] is just too massive.

This PNR project will not lead us into a debt trap.

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Robredo warns of China debt trap, cites Sri Lanka
Philippine Daily Inquirer / 07:25 AM October 22, 2017

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Robredo cited the project to build a new Bicol Express, a rail system connecting Manila and Bicol region, for P175 billion, which would come from a Chinese loan.

Robredo said there should be a better way to finance the project other than through loans from China.

“First of all, it’s debt. Very huge, P171 billion. That’s very huge,” said Robredo, who is a native of Naga. “Our fear is we might get stuck in a debt trap like the one experienced by Sri Lanka,” she said.
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Old October 24th, 2017, 03:25 AM   #25
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Edi i-cancel na lang. Para wala nang proyekto yung entire bicolandia guess na lang kau kung sino sisihin ng mga bicolanong botante come 2022

kung manalo man sya sa 2022, i-cancel nya na para dalwang dilawang presidente nag cancel ng dalawang importanteng rail sa bansa, Northrail at Southrail
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Old October 24th, 2017, 04:45 AM   #26
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Magpasagasa na lang kaya siya sa tren like PNOY at Abaya hahaha
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Old October 24th, 2017, 04:57 AM   #27
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Natatandaan nyo pa na ang dilawang si Drilon din ang nagingay dahil daw overpriced ang Northrail kaya inuulit na naman ng dilawang Robredo para nganga na naman tayo.
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Old October 24th, 2017, 05:20 AM   #28
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Typical LP attitude talaga yan si VP Leni Robredo. So anti-rail! She should be grateful the Digong admin is working in building a world class rail system to her turf, tapos ayaw pa! Susmaryosep talaga itong mga dilawan na ito! If something bad happens to Digong, its safe to assume ALL railway projects will once again get cancelled if VP Leni becomes his successor! So scary, eh?

Maganda naman gumawa ng tren ang China, so what is Leni's problem with them?


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Old October 24th, 2017, 07:42 AM   #29
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Yan ang Problema sa sa Poll- litikang Pilipino, isinasa alang-alang ang kapanan ng mga mananakay sa ordinaryong pilipino. Bakit pag may nasimulan na proyekto at inutang pa ng bilyon bilyon at nagpalit ng gobyerno kakanselin na lang basta ito dahil di ba sila kumita dito? Dapat pag nasimulan na at para sa mga mamamayang pilipino ito ituloy na lamang. Halimabawa Northrail project, Laguna bay lakeshore, etc, etc, sana wala na kumontra pa mga politiko para sa kapakanan ito ng mga pilipino hindi sa inyo..
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Old October 24th, 2017, 08:14 AM   #30
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May insider ba na naka view ng presentation? Anyone have the picture of the DMU?
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Old October 24th, 2017, 12:03 PM   #31
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May nag bulong ba kay Mam na:

- TOTAL RECONSTRUCTION of the entire MLS - you name it, we have to totally build / replace it
- TOTAL DEMOLITION of squatters who have benefited from state land for too long
- EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING MLS to Matnog, Sorsogon [hanggang dun sa Pier]

PPP for PNR clearly did not work under the BPE. The capital outlay needed is just too massive for our local oligarchs.

We BAAAADLY need to fix our railway system. Tourism especially economic potential [freight/cargo] is just too massive.

This PNR project will not lead us into a debt trap.

Sa ikakaunlad ng Bayan, Daangbakal ang kailangan...

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Robredo warns of China debt trap, cites Sri Lanka
Philippine Daily Inquirer / 07:25 AM October 22, 2017

Sri Lanka borrowed more than they can afford. Hence they were in a debt trap. They put all their eggs in one basket by investing infra and having china fund all of it through the loans, hence it's a debt trap.

the japanese will fund the subway, the los banos rail and clark rail. Abe administration only promised $9 billion of ODA and loans, di kasya kung isasama yung southrail. 171 billion php is too big for any local oligarchs to fund, and if they did, it's substandard, might as well let China build it. Especially since the loan agreement is preferential and we have say on it in negotiations.

Leni is wayyy dumber than she looks by saying those things, it's as if she hasn't learned anything from being a cabinet member. Dyan magaleng mga dilawan, puro nga nga
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Old October 24th, 2017, 07:09 PM   #32
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Sri Lanka borrowed money for a project where the demand wasn't really there. This is a project where the demand IS already there! In fact, the demand was always there but the previous governments (except for the brief revival) mostly ignored it!
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Old October 24th, 2017, 09:38 PM   #33
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I would really be interested to see feedback from a non-biased and and non-partisan economist group regarding the loaning spree we are having right now. It's very nice to see all the money going to making us more productive, but it's best to have all details - pro and con - of what we are to expect.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 04:17 AM   #34
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Spoken like a true Leni Dumbredo. Little did she realize how Sri Lanka borrowed huges sums almost exclusively from China to fund to-be-underutilized infra projects, some with interest rates as high as 6% and with alot of strings attached if they fail to pay the sum.

I’ve notoiced alot of opposition from Bicolanos on this rail though. If you look in Bicol threads you will see this. Is it because bicolanos have a huge disdain for everything China related? Or does LP enjoy a large support base from there, thus making any infra attempt by the administration bad?
It makes me wonder if being an LP supporter means you are against infrastructure at all? Maybe that is how PNoy won in the first place? Seriously, why would anybody not want infrastructure? Are they happy with the traffic and lack of railways? They can't all own helicopters and be escorted by wang wangs, right?
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It makes me wonder if being an LP supporter means you are against infrastructure at all? Maybe that is how PNoy won in the first place? Seriously, why would anybody not want infrastructure? Are they happy with the traffic and lack of railways? They can't all own helicopters and be escorted by wang wangs, right?
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One of my biggest disgust at the BPE was their boast of 1 TRILLION in SAVINGS for the past 6 years. More like massive under spending.

1,000,000,000,000.00. Just.Imagine.That.
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Remember the Aquino BPE Mantra:



(tama nga naman, kaso...)

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One of my biggest disgust at the BPE was their boast of 1 TRILLION in SAVINGS for the past 6 years. More like massive under spending.

1,000,000,000,000.00. Just.Imagine.That.
Di ba sabi nga ng tatay niya (Ninoy) noon, hindi naman dw makakain ng mga pilipino ang infrastracture. So yun, sinunod nya tatay nya.
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Old October 25th, 2017, 10:11 AM   #38
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Savings... Remember the DAP? That's where some of the money went. Some were not spent, reverted back to national treasury because they are so hell bent on having a credit rating upgrade.
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But I just wonder: why just 9 stations? Is this just for the initial product? There surely got to be more than 9 towns along the ROW right?
Me thinks the 9 ID'ed will be the major ones.

The RROW will pass through so many towns/provinces that there will be a need to rehab all the existing stations, and probably add more [flag stops, etc].
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