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Old February 7th, 2018, 11:36 PM   #41
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The PNR was not properly developed and left in a dilapidated state post WWII as some foreign superpower would like us to be dependent on petroleum, crude oil or gasoline......
I beg disagree that PNR was left in a dilapidated state post WWII.
I lived in Caloocan City along P. Burgos Street (now M Asistio) and
my house is adjacent to the RailRoad Tracks. Immediately after the
war there are no rolling stocks and a large section of the tracks
were badly maintained or damaged.

The victorious allies forced the losing Axis powers, japan included,
to pay reparations to the countries affected by their invasion. Japan
short of cash paid Us mainly through heavy equipment and rolling stocks.
There was a construction boom after the war. The tracks were
rehabilitated and damaged rolling stocks were repaired. Additional
rolling stocks were procured.

This continued in the time of Marcos when Amianan Express (La Union)
was established and there were two Bicol Express trips
(one in the morning and one in the evening). There were also medium
haul trips to Lucena Also in the time of Marcos the Commuter
services was established starting from the city of San Fernando
Pampanga till Carmona Cavite.

When Marcos was booted out and replaced by Cory Aquino that is
when the rot started. The planned rehabilitation of the south
tracks was scrapped. The planned acquisition of new rolling stocks
was also scrapped. The squatters took over these abandoned tracks and the rest is history.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 04:31 AM   #42
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In the US, a lot of communities sprouted where rail came first. It's on an episode of America: The Story of Us.
"Build it and they will come" sabi nga.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 11:25 AM   #43
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Same story sa ibang asian countries.

Yung ibang station walang pasahero kahit rush hour. Pero operational parin.

I was thinking na ang concept nila ay after ilang years, magagamit at ma-maximize 'tong area na to.

Yun ang kulang infra natin, reactive tayo sa demand.
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When Marcos was booted out and replaced by Cory Aquino that is
when the rot started. The planned rehabilitation of the south
tracks was scrapped. The planned acquisition of new rolling stocks
was also scrapped. The squatters took over these abandoned tracks and the rest is history.
That's because the Aquinos are vindictive. They don't care if the project is good and will benefit the majority. If it's a project of their enemy, they will stop or destroy it.

Imelda had so many good, worthwhile projects. Good thing they didn't destroy the CCP.

The BNPP should have been started, and I still am hoping they will restart it before 2022.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 12:01 PM   #45
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Same story sa ibang asian countries.

Yung ibang station walang pasahero kahit rush hour. Pero operational parin.

I was thinking na ang concept nila ay after ilang years, magagamit at ma-maximize 'tong area na to.

Yun ang kulang infra natin, reactive tayo sa demand.
that's true! parang kalsada lang yan, gawin muna 2 lanes, tsaka mag road widening kapag congested at puno na structures both sides tas pahirapan na mag demand ng ROW means napaka poor ang urban planning kasi naman from cory to pnoy government masyadong pinaboran ang mga business interest ng mga tycoons sa halip na tingnan at dapat unahin ang interest ng mamamayan
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Old February 8th, 2018, 02:41 PM   #46
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I beg disagree that PNR was left in a dilapidated state post WWII.
I lived in Caloocan City along P. Burgos Street (now M Asistio) and
my house is adjacent to the RailRoad Tracks. Immediately after the
war there are no rolling stocks and a large section of the tracks
were badly maintained or damaged.

The victorious allies forced the losing Axis powers, japan included,
to pay reparations to the countries affected by their invasion. Japan
short of cash paid Us mainly through heavy equipment and rolling stocks.
There was a construction boom after the war. The tracks were
rehabilitated and damaged rolling stocks were repaired. Additional
rolling stocks were procured.

This continued in the time of Marcos when Amianan Express (La Union)
was established and there were two Bicol Express trips
(one in the morning and one in the evening). There were also medium
haul trips to Lucena Also in the time of Marcos the Commuter
services was established starting from the city of San Fernando
Pampanga till Carmona Cavite.

When Marcos was booted out and replaced by Cory Aquino that is
when the rot started. The planned rehabilitation of the south
tracks was scrapped. The planned acquisition of new rolling stocks
was also scrapped. The squatters took over these abandoned tracks and the rest is history.
I had been on the old MRR trains when I was a kid. There was even a first class car. My sister and friends would take the MRR to San Fernando (?) and a Dangwa bus would shuttle them to Baguio. A couple of years ago, I met the daughter of an ex MRR gm in the 50s/60s, yes, she confirmed all the above things.

In short, Cory couldn't give a shit about trains because of the bus lobby. And Mt. Pinatubo couldn't give a shit about anything. A lot of people on this forum are way too young to know much less remember that the PH was a well functioning country even with a rail line before Marcos and Aquino.
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Old February 8th, 2018, 02:46 PM   #47
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In the US, a lot of communities sprouted where rail came first. It's on an episode of America: The Story of Us.
Not only the US. A lot of the main stations of old towns in Europe, US and even Canada were in downtown. A lot of businesses, like hotels, restaurants etc sprouted around rail stations. Just like airports now on a different scale. Many corporate meetings, conventions are held in the airport area because it is more convenient to fly in and out after meetings. Transportation contribute to people's mobility, the more mobile people are the more economic growth.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 06:32 AM   #48
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that's true! parang kalsada lang yan, gawin muna 2 lanes, tsaka mag road widening kapag congested at puno na structures both sides tas pahirapan na mag demand ng ROW means napaka poor ang urban planning kasi naman from cory to pnoy government masyadong pinaboran ang mga business interest ng mga tycoons sa halip na tingnan at dapat unahin ang interest ng mamamayan
you could not have said it better hehehe - sadly, that is the way development, particularly for infrastructures, have been approached for the recent decades, will there be changes for the better? we can only hope and pray and perhaps see the same (even a start) in our lifetime - keeping fingers crossed
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Old February 9th, 2018, 07:00 AM   #49
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In the US, a lot of communities sprouted where rail came first. It's on an episode of America: The Story of Us.
True but that was before automobiles were invented. Railways were the only means of traveling long distances in a short period of time. When automobiles were introduced most of the railway lines started to lose money.
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Old February 9th, 2018, 08:57 AM   #50
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Bakit kasi hindi na lang magconcentrate ang Pilipinas sa Railways System as amajor mode of transport?, since ito ang pinakaepektibo para maiwasan ang traffic at pollution, even majority sa countries worldwide loan sila ng loan kahit na may ibang stations na hindi pa masyado crowded para in preparation sa future use, ang hirap sa gobyerno hintayin muna nila lumubo populasyon saka pag isipan na magconstruct ng mga bagong lines!, Kulang sa taking risks ang Pilipinas o talagang ubod ng corrupt lang?!

Sa Asian Countries tayo ang pinakahuli na pagdating sa Railway mukhang mauungusan na tayo ng Laos, that's why I'm so jealous with other ASEAN neighboring countries such as Thailand and Indonesia especially Thailand since in 2 years time malapit na mag operational ang Bang Sue Grand Station which will be the biggest Railway Station in SouthEast Asia, yung Railway System nila Spaghetti with a lot interconnections from Primary to Secondary Routes etc....., Tayo kahit na isang circular loop hindi tayo makabuo at sobrang bagal pa sa planning at construction!
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Old February 9th, 2018, 03:49 PM   #51
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that's true! parang kalsada lang yan, gawin muna 2 lanes, tsaka mag road widening kapag congested at puno na structures both sides tas pahirapan na mag demand ng ROW means napaka poor ang urban planning kasi naman from cory to pnoy government masyadong pinaboran ang mga business interest ng mga tycoons sa halip na tingnan at dapat unahin ang interest ng mamamayan
Up to today. There's still very strong control by the oligarchy. As one long term Norwegian expat said, it's time to spend on the people.
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True but that was before automobiles were invented. Railways were the only means of traveling long distances in a short period of time. When automobiles were introduced most of the railway lines started to lose money.
Only in the US where the oil cartel lobby pushed for more vehicles so they can sell their oil. In Europe, lots of people still take trains more than rubber tire. With low cost airlines, even the rail companies practice revenue management strategies to keep their customers. In Japan, railways are still the best way to travel. Of course, European and Japanese rail companies weren't stupid they also invested in r&d on their trains. In North America, they are so behind in passenger rail transport.
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we have politicos and leftist group who want to spend the public funds for free education, free medicine, free food, dole out and anything free instead of spend it for infrastructures. There mentality is "gastos lang yan, mas mahalaga pa rin na gastusin para sa mahihirap ang pera ng Gobyerno"
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Free everything is no good you are just making people to rely on hand outs... I suggested in some other posts that the poor, out of school youth, tambays or old age pensioners, abled bodies or persons with disability who are all healthy should be ask to work for a minimum low wage monthly salary doing street sweeping, park maintenance, river & Estero cleanliness... while working then they should be asked to contribute for Philhealth and state pension... housing should be allocated to the poor but a monthly rent to own should be paid in so the project could be rolled out to other areas... government hospital usually are free but provided you got philhealth... no such thing as free food not unless the government will roll out the green revolution for self sufficiency by planting your own fruits & vegs and rearing your own chickens & pigs...
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Clark-subic Railway now approved!

"Other infrastructure projects approved by the President are the P50.03- billion Subic-Clark railway project, Clark International Airport expansion project costing P12.55 billion..."
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Same story sa ibang asian countries.

Yung ibang station walang pasahero kahit rush hour. Pero operational parin.

I was thinking na ang concept nila ay after ilang years, magagamit at ma-maximize 'tong area na to.

Yun ang kulang infra natin, reactive tayo sa demand.
That's the word.
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Old June 3rd, 2018, 06:21 PM   #57
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Subic-Clark railway construction begins 2019
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THE government’s plan to build a cargo train connecting Subic to Clark is targeted to start next year, Budget Secretary Benjamin E. Diokno said.
“Magtatayo kami ng [We will build a] train from Subic to Clark. There will be a cargo train. Siguro mga next year maumpisahan na ’yun [By next year we’ll probably start it], Mr. Diokno told reporters after the inspection of the Manila-Cavite Expressway (Cavitex) road-widening and southbound Marina flyover project.
He said the P50.03-billion railway is part of the government’s 75 flagship infrastructure projects. It will be funded through an official development assistance from the Chinese government.
Although the train system is originally intended for cargo to maximize the use of the Subic port, Mr. Diokno said it may eventually be used for passenger travel.
The Subic-Clark cargo train has been approved by the National Economic and Development Authority Investment Coordination Committee (NEDA-ICC) in January. In April, NEDA said it is one of the projects up for review by the Board.
http://bworldonline.com/subic-clark-...n-begins-2019/
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Old June 3rd, 2018, 08:17 PM   #58
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Goods kapag Chinese ODA (para sakin) kesa MRail ni MVP. Wala na rason sakin basta goods.
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that's true! parang kalsada lang yan, gawin muna 2 lanes, tsaka mag road widening kapag congested at puno na structures both sides tas pahirapan na mag demand ng ROW means napaka poor ang urban planning kasi naman from cory to pnoy government masyadong pinaboran ang mga business interest ng mga tycoons sa halip na tingnan at dapat unahin ang interest ng mamamayan
Taguig Expressway only has 4 lanes and it is part of Metromanila. Couldn't they reclaim a little bit more from Laguna de Bay. Pretty soon, that edge will be full of squatters and widening will be a problem. Marcos Highway has 8 lanes and it's traffic congested. Panay lang ang papogi ni Villar sa picture taking. I'm sick of it.
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Subic-Clark railway construction begins 2019

http://bworldonline.com/subic-clark-...n-begins-2019/
Mas marami ng pupunta nito ng Subic pag nagkataon. Sa ngayon hirap ng commute ng bus dun ang tagal ng biyahe. Di naman nadaan sa SCTEX yung karamihan ng bus na galing Manila papuntang Subic
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