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Old March 30th, 2016, 11:44 PM   #1
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St Giles Circus
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Planning application: Camden 2015/6939/P


Development Facts

Developer: Consolidated Developments

Architect: Orms Architects

Floorspace: 19,510m²

800 capacity music venue

280 capacity grassroots music venue







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Old March 30th, 2016, 11:52 PM   #2
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Orms wins go-ahead for Tin Pan Alley music venue
Architects Journal
30 March 2016
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Orms has received planning for a new music venue on Denmark Street in central London

Located in historic buildings in Denmark Place and Denmark Street, the basement scheme will replace the former 12 bar with a 280-capacity grassroots music venue.

The project extends Orms’ plans for a 800-capacity venue which were already granted permission as part of its 19,510m² revamp of St Giles Circus.

The scheme will preserve the conservation area by moving the former Smithy at 22 Denmark Place and reinstating it after the basement works have been completed.

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Old March 31st, 2016, 09:16 AM   #3
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I really like the concept of this venue - a Piccadilly Circus of Tottenham Court Road if you like. My only concern is how the finished product will look, this will have to be top quality to work as a design.
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I think that's beautiful.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 01:23 PM   #5
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Too Vegas for my taste. The Victorian terrace next door is nothing special or unusual, but its detailing is delicate enough to make this proposal look awfully crude.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 01:57 PM   #6
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I totally disagree. To me the simple lines and bold but elegant colours match perfectly with the pleasant Victoriana.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 02:51 PM   #7
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Ghastly infill for this part of London.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 05:09 PM   #8
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Is this the building with the planned internal, electric billboard advertisement?
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Old March 31st, 2016, 05:18 PM   #9
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Yep. The boards are inside the building on the walls and ceiling of the internal event space but are obscured in the renders by the folding shutters.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 05:22 PM   #10
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I have high hopes for this development. In terms of use, it's hugely exciting that live music is coming back to the area (particularly with the additional space that Camden have just approved).

In terms of aesthetics, a lot will depend on the success of the gold cladding. Let's hope they equal or exceed what we've seen on One The Elephant.
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Agreed!
Should add some vibrancy and night time atmosphere.
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I'm constantly dumbfounded with how spoilt Londoners are. Most places would appreciate this development.
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It's not just what the new development looks like, but what it replaced. Some people prefer the way it was before Crossrail came along, even though it was somewhat run-down. This article sums it up nicely: http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...t-wild-corners
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The argument against crossrail is redundant, this had to happen for Londons prosperity and future. Crossrail 2 will bring more architectural destruction to London but unfortunately there's no other choice.

This part of London was rundown and tatty to say the least - if done correctly this has the potential to be an exciting new centre.
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I'm not saying Crossrail wasn't needed, just that it probably didn't need to devastate that area as much as it did. For better or worse it was used as an excuse to pull down an awful lot of old buildings.
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But part of the reason these buildings were so run down, was planning blight from Crossrail. No serious investment in the local buildings were made until new whether anything was happening. If crossrail was never likely to happen, much smaller redevelopment schemes would have occurred. It's taken years if not decades for various property companies to buy up all the small free holds an re-engineer leases to coincide so that large new sites could be assembled for much bigger buildings.

Without Crossrail the area would have gentrified years ago, just from refurbishment and small scale building all those grungy uses would have long been pushed out.
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Yes but that's academic. As .Adam said The argument against crossrail is redundant. The buildings are gone. I didn't want them gone either, but gone they are.
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I'm not sure if those building would have gentrified any time soon, just as they hadn't since the 60s. The area was blighted from when the centrepoint build essentially left the backs of buildings exposed to a roundabout/ public space.

There was no draw to the area and not sure what could have happened to those buildings.
The road layout needed to change for the area to improve and there was still the pressure of redevelopment vs keeping historic tin pan alley buildings and use.. it was just the strategic infrastructure issue of crossrail that trumped those concerns.

I think its just since St Giles Sq development gave the area some focus that its started to recover, and the fact that crossrail has created a new pedestrian plaza which will bring more people to 'use' the area as opposed to travel/walk through.
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Some images from the design and access statement:

Facade detail



North-South elevation



East-West elevation



View down Tottenham Court Road (what a mess, the rest of it...)

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Could that phones 4 you building be the worst in the whole of Central London?
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