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Old May 21st, 2007, 12:05 PM   #601
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CEB in Pre-War Orthography

Tucod ug República sa Sugbu? Jejejejeje.... Apan, sa tiniuod lang, okay ra sa aco, canang last resort political move.

CEB in Modern Orthography

Tukod ug Republika sa Sugbu? Hehehehe... Apan sa tinuoray, okay ra sa ako, kanang last resort political move.

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Make Republic of Cebu? Hehehehehe... But seriously, I take it as last resort political move.
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CEB in Pre-War Orthography

Tucod ug República sa Sugbu? Jejejejeje.... Apan, sa tiniuod lang, okay ra sa aco, canang last resort political move.

CEB in Modern Orthography

Tukod ug Republika sa Sugbu? Hehehehe... Apan sa tinuoray, okay ra sa ako, kanang last resort political move.

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Make Republic of Cebu? Hehehehehe... But seriously, I take it as last resort political move.
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Old May 21st, 2007, 02:34 PM   #603
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Aww, unya na lang pod nang Republica de Cebu, cay maorag grave ra caayo… ensacto sab, last resort cuno quintahay pero daghan pa caayo nag complicacion. Molicay pa co niana.

Mao quini. Simple ra caayo. Gibase sa ejemplo sa ubang mga ordinariong nasud. Quinahanglang sultihan ug suportahan si Gullas ug Del Mar sa paghimug balaod niini.

Primero ejemplo, Singapore. Lenguaje Nativo, Mandarin/Hokkien 72%, Malay, mga 15%, Indian Tamil mga 8%, others ang remaining. Lenguaje official = English. Bisan pag overwhelming ang majoria sa mga Intsik, wala giud sa ilahang hunahuna ang pag-dominar sa tibuok nasud. Ang ilajang systema sa educaccion, Official language English, Compulsory Native language (your choice of Mandarin, Malay or Tamil). (Mangutana co palijug, ang mga taga’wg ba miabut ug ingon niani cadaco nga majoria 72% sa atong nasud?)

Segundo ejemplo, Mexico, Honduras. Lenguaje official = Spanish. Apan dagjan pud silag mga Lenguaje Nativo, Aztec, Maya, Toltec nga ilajang guimantener pud.

Tercera ejemplo, Equatorial Guinea, dagjang mga Lenguaje Nativo Africano. Lenguaje official = Spanish, French. (naghico hico ba ang mga Africano nga pa-sosyal o pa-elitista sila? Wa man.)

Cuarta ejemplo, Brazil. Lenguaje official = Portuguese. Apan dagjan pud silag mga Lenguaje Nativo Amazona.

Wala may caso para naco ang paggamit sa usa ca European cuno nga lenguaje official (di ba English European man sab). Apan law-ay para canaco nga usa ra ca nativo nga lenguaje ang magdominar sa tibuok nasud. Ngano man giud? Wala may kapuslanan. Dili mahalin sa gawas ang lenguaje pilipino.
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Aww, unya na lang pod nang Republica de Cebu, cay maorag grave ra caayo… ensacto sab, last resort cuno quintahay pero daghan pa caayo nag complicacion. Molicay pa co niana.

Mao quini. Simple ra caayo. Gibase sa ejemplo sa ubang mga ordinariong nasud. Quinahanglang sultihan ug suportahan si Gullas ug Del Mar sa paghimug balaod niini.

Primero ejemplo, Singapore. Lenguaje Nativo, Mandarin/Hokkien 72%, Malay, mga 15%, Indian Tamil mga 8%, others ang remaining. Lenguaje official = English. Bisan pag overwhelming ang majoria sa mga Intsik, wala giud sa ilahang hunahuna ang pag-dominar sa tibuok nasud. Ang ilajang systema sa educaccion, Official language English, Compulsory Native language (your choice of Mandarin, Malay or Tamil). (Mangutana co palijug, ang mga taga’wg ba miabut ug ingon niani cadaco nga majoria 72% sa atong nasud?)

Segundo ejemplo, Mexico, Honduras. Lenguaje official = Spanish. Apan dagjan pud silag mga Lenguaje Nativo, Aztec, Maya, Toltec nga ilajang guimantener pud.

Tercera ejemplo, Equatorial Guinea, dagjang mga Lenguaje Nativo Africano. Lenguaje official = Spanish, French. (naghico hico ba ang mga Africano nga pa-sosyal o pa-elitista sila? Wa man.)

Cuarta ejemplo, Brazil. Lenguaje official = Portuguese. Apan dagjan pud silag mga Lenguaje Nativo Amazona.

Wala may caso para naco ang paggamit sa usa ca European cuno nga lenguaje official (di ba English European man sab). Apan law-ay para canaco nga usa ra ca nativo nga lenguaje ang magdominar sa tibuok nasud. Ngano man giud? Wala may kapuslanan. Dili mahalin sa gawas ang lenguaje pilipino.
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<naputol nuon nagsige cog tuqui-qui ug catawa. di mahalin sa tabu-an sa asia, ja ja ja.>

Con acoy pangutan-on, ang acong favor nga systema:
Ang Lenguaje Nativo himoong compulsory didto ra sa mga dapit con diin siya ang majoria. Taga’wg adto ra sa mga dapit nga taga’wg, cebuano adto ra sa mga sugbuanon nga dapit, etc etc…
Caron unsa ma’y Lenguaje Nacional? Pili ra mo sa duha (base sa acong mga ejemplo nga nasud). English o Spanish, ok lang ko con bisag hain sa duha. Wala may capuslanan ang magpugos pugos ug lugos tuon nianang pilipino cay wala man guy usa ra ca pilipino, dagjan man caayo bai! Cay dili ba maoy labing tinuod?

Apan para sa mga Visayans nga casagaran tri-lingual ug mas maantigo, ang ideal tingali para canato, pili lang mo cay democracia man ni:
1. Spanish, Visayan, English.
2. Puede sab Visayan, English, Spanish.
3. Or English, Visayan , Spanish.

Ygo ra natong guipulihan ang Tagaw'g ug Spanish.
Caya man nato nga mag-trilingual. Naprobahan na man. Advantage pa sa trabajo. Pasagdi na lang tong mga tribu nga bugo; dili macasugacod ug sulti ug 3 ca lenguaje. Je jeje. Na jala pili mo:
1. 2 Native languages, 1 International language
2. Or 2 major international languages, 1 compulsory native. Ok diba? Halin caayo ta abroad. Usa na lay cuawang para cumpleto – Mandarin…
Na jala masuko na pud ang mga monolingual nga tawo… ja ja ja castigojon na pod co intaun. Puerte ra ba co cahinawayon ambot con ngano. Ja ja ja
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<naputol nuon nagsige cog tuqui-qui ug catawa. di mahalin sa tabu-an sa asia, ja ja ja.>

Con acoy pangutan-on, ang acong favor nga systema:
Ang Lenguaje Nativo himoong compulsory didto ra sa mga dapit con diin siya ang majoria. Taga’wg adto ra sa mga dapit nga taga’wg, cebuano adto ra sa mga sugbuanon nga dapit, etc etc…
Caron unsa ma’y Lenguaje Nacional? Pili ra mo sa duha (base sa acong mga ejemplo nga nasud). English o Spanish, ok lang ko con bisag hain sa duha. Wala may capuslanan ang magpugos pugos ug lugos tuon nianang pilipino cay wala man guy usa ra ca pilipino, dagjan man caayo bai! Cay dili ba maoy labing tinuod?

Apan para sa mga Visayans nga casagaran tri-lingual ug mas maantigo, ang ideal tingali para canato, pili lang mo cay democracia man ni:
1. Spanish, Visayan, English.
2. Puede sab Visayan, English, Spanish.
3. Or English, Visayan , Spanish.

Ygo ra natong guipulihan ang Tagaw'g ug Spanish.
Caya man nato nga mag-trilingual. Naprobahan na man. Advantage pa sa trabajo. Pasagdi na lang tong mga tribu nga bugo; dili macasugacod ug sulti ug 3 ca lenguaje. Je jeje. Na jala pili mo:
1. 2 Native languages, 1 International language
2. Or 2 major international languages, 1 compulsory native. Ok diba? Halin caayo ta abroad. Usa na lay cuawang para cumpleto – Mandarin…
Na jala masuko na pud ang mga monolingual nga tawo… ja ja ja castigojon na pod co intaun. Puerte ra ba co cahinawayon ambot con ngano. Ja ja ja
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CEB: Nindot ang imong plano da!

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@mercato

sa ako lang ni, wala man ta mureklamo na gihimo ang tagalog na "nasudnong pinulongan". ang ako lang kay gipahiubos nila ang bisaya para daygon ang tagalog.

i am not complaining about the proclamation of tagalog as "national language". but i don't like the way they praise tagalog by belittling the other languages. it can be seen in the way they compare tagalog as "magalang" as if the others are "bastos". there must be ways of making such clarifications when teaching our children. even if we passed a law like what you proposed, if such wrong perception is not properly addressed, there would still be conflict, a war between tribes/groups because our educational system have created this big wall and failed to build a bridge where there could be communication and understanding between these tribes/groups. i blame it on tagalog-centric education.

by the way, when i speak of visayan, i'm speaking of the languages found in the visayas which includes cebuano.
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@mercato

sa ako lang ni, wala man ta mureklamo na gihimo ang tagalog na "nasudnong pinulongan". ang ako lang kay gipahiubos nila ang bisaya para daygon ang tagalog.

i am not complaining about the proclamation of tagalog as "national language". but i don't like the way they praise tagalog by belittling the other languages. it can be seen in the way they compare tagalog as "magalang" as if the others are "bastos". there must be ways of making such clarifications when teaching our children. even if we passed a law like what you proposed, if such wrong perception is not properly addressed, there would still be conflict, a war between tribes/groups because our educational system have created this big wall and failed to build a bridge where there could be communication and understanding between these tribes/groups. i blame it on tagalog-centric education.

by the way, when i speak of visayan, i'm speaking of the languages found in the visayas which includes cebuano.
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All we need is to educate the younger generation (especially Manila and the Tagalog-speaking provinces) about different cultures in the Philippines and create an atmosphere of respecting each differences. We are very regionalistic as Filipinos and we should respect each others differences.



I remembered one time in Ayala Terminal during the ASEAN Summit, there was a soldier who was asking for directions, and when the dispatcher told him in Cebuano the direction, he interrupted the latter and said "Tagalog! Tagalog please! Hindi ko maintindihan!". The dispatcher was embarrassed at that time and hesitant to speak in the Tagalog.

This sense of arrogance from the Tagalogs as seen by Visayans is clearly manifested in any way as Tagalogs sees Visayans as second-class Filipinos. Malevolent regionalism.

I wonder if Cebu would be the capital of the country, I wonder what will be our national language would be?
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All we need is to educate the younger generation (especially Manila and the Tagalog-speaking provinces) about different cultures in the Philippines and create an atmosphere of respecting each differences. We are very regionalistic as Filipinos and we should respect each others differences.



I remembered one time in Ayala Terminal during the ASEAN Summit, there was a soldier who was asking for directions, and when the dispatcher told him in Cebuano the direction, he interrupted the latter and said "Tagalog! Tagalog please! Hindi ko maintindihan!". The dispatcher was embarrassed at that time and hesitant to speak in the Tagalog.

This sense of arrogance from the Tagalogs as seen by Visayans is clearly manifested in any way as Tagalogs sees Visayans as second-class Filipinos. Malevolent regionalism.

I wonder if Cebu would be the capital of the country, I wonder what will be our national language would be?
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i agree with you, bernie!

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i agree with you, bernie!

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I remembered one time in Ayala Terminal during the ASEAN Summit, there was a soldier who was asking for directions, and when the dispatcher told him in Cebuano the direction, he interrupted the latter and said "Tagalog! Tagalog please! Hindi ko maintindihan!". The dispatcher was embarrassed at that time and hesitant to speak in the Tagalog.

This sense of arrogance from the Tagalogs as seen by Visayans is clearly manifested in any way as Tagalogs sees Visayans as second-class Filipinos. Malevolent regionalism.
If I were him, I rather answer in English to give embarrasment to a soldier!
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I remembered one time in Ayala Terminal during the ASEAN Summit, there was a soldier who was asking for directions, and when the dispatcher told him in Cebuano the direction, he interrupted the latter and said "Tagalog! Tagalog please! Hindi ko maintindihan!". The dispatcher was embarrassed at that time and hesitant to speak in the Tagalog.

This sense of arrogance from the Tagalogs as seen by Visayans is clearly manifested in any way as Tagalogs sees Visayans as second-class Filipinos. Malevolent regionalism.
If I were him, I rather answer in English to give embarrasment to a soldier!
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I remembered one time in Ayala Terminal during the ASEAN Summit, there was a soldier who was asking for directions, and when the dispatcher told him in Cebuano the direction, he interrupted the latter and said "Tagalog! Tagalog please! Hindi ko maintindihan!". The dispatcher was embarrassed at that time and hesitant to speak in the Tagalog.

This sense of arrogance from the Tagalogs as seen by Visayans is clearly manifested in any way as Tagalogs sees Visayans as second-class Filipinos. Malevolent regionalism.
How did he utter it though? With tact, courtesy and respect? Or in a demanding and harassing manner?
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I remembered one time in Ayala Terminal during the ASEAN Summit, there was a soldier who was asking for directions, and when the dispatcher told him in Cebuano the direction, he interrupted the latter and said "Tagalog! Tagalog please! Hindi ko maintindihan!". The dispatcher was embarrassed at that time and hesitant to speak in the Tagalog.

This sense of arrogance from the Tagalogs as seen by Visayans is clearly manifested in any way as Tagalogs sees Visayans as second-class Filipinos. Malevolent regionalism.
How did he utter it though? With tact, courtesy and respect? Or in a demanding and harassing manner?
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How did he utter it though? With tact, courtesy and respect? Or in a demanding and harassing manner?
Demanding. Very demanding. A lot of passengers look up onto him with irritation.
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Demanding. Very demanding. A lot of passengers look up onto him with irritation.
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