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Old April 25th, 2018, 06:25 PM   #261
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it is a single track. although I heard kinokontest pa rin ng mga taga doon na ipush yung original design daw na dual track. IMO, try muna nila mag single.

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DAVAO CITY—“It will be so fast, so cheap and so efficient, you can have your breakfast in Surigao City, lunch in Zamboanga, and dinner in Davao City.”
This was how Secretary Abul Khayr Alonto of the Mindanao Development Authority (MinDA) envisioned how life would be in Mindanao if the Mindanao Railway System pushes through under the administration of President Rodrigo Duterte.

While the project has raised hopes among local officials of finally seeing a railroad link provinces in Mindanao, is the government just selling them a dream?

A year before the President steps down from office in 2022, only the 102-kilometer segment spanning Digos and Tagum cities will be completed.
The government has not provided a schedule for the completion of the 2,000-km railroad across the island.
Also, the current plan provided by MinDA does not mention a high-speed train yet.
Its proposal for a two-track electric railroad for the Digos-Tagum route was shelved by the Department of Transportation (DOTr) in favor of a single-track, diesel-run locomotive.
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ZAMBOANGA CITY — Armando Cabance first heard stories of trains coming to Mindanao when he was a young man driving a truck for a logging company in the 1960s during the administration of then President Ferdinand Marcos.
earing these stories again during the term of President Rodrigo Duterte, the country’s first leader from Mindanao, Cabance wondered whether a railroad would finally materialize. He is now 78.

“We were thinking then that if there would be a train, we would no longer be needed here and we would lose our jobs,” he said. “I am old already and the railroad story is back. I think I will not live long enough to see it.”
For a long time, Mindanao has dreamed of a railroad linking most of its growth areas and their markets. But plans to build the railroad, though frequently floated around, never took off during past administrations.
Hopes were buoyed in 2016 when then Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte was elected President, with business leaders and development planners working to revive the plan.
Early this month, the Mindanao Development Authority
(MinDA) showed the Inquirer a map of the proposed route of the Mindanao railroad system. A circumferential line connects most of the major cities in Mindanao.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 06:57 AM   #262
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it is a single track. although I heard kinokontest pa rin ng mga taga doon na ipush yung original design daw na dual track. IMO, try muna nila mag single.

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If NEDA finds the ridership cannot meet the revenues required to pay back the loans on time, they have to do what's workable.

You only need a provision for a passing loop so opposite trains can pass each other, on specific locations. I remember that is done also for roads which has a single lane. Passing stations are provided.
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If NEDA finds the ridership cannot meet the revenues required to pay back the loans on time, they have to do what's workable.

You only need a provision for a passing loop so opposite trains can pass each other, on specific locations. I remember that is done also for roads which has a single lane. Passing stations are provided.
I think there was no occasion in histroy that PNR was profitable.

The old Bicol Line (PNR) has at least 3 stations with passing loop (if my recollection is right). To future proof MINDANAO RAIL double track is the only way to go.

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Old April 26th, 2018, 09:20 AM   #264
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PNR will never be profitable with passenger operation. Public service yun.

Parang maging self-sustaining PNR kahit paano at wag naman mashado umasa sa subsidy, rail cargo / freight is the key.

Of course we want all railway systems to be double tracked, but will passenger and freight numbers suffice?

Even PNR Elbi-Bikol is still single track for Chinese ODA diba.
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If NEDA finds the ridership cannot meet the revenues required to pay back the loans on time, they have to do what's workable.

You only need a provision for a passing loop so opposite trains can pass each other, on specific locations. I remember that is done also for roads which has a single lane. Passing stations are provided.
to avoid passing loop.. i think that mindanao rail should be made into a one way loop. meaning there is no opposing train trip...
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Old April 26th, 2018, 11:59 AM   #266
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to avoid passing loop.. i think that mindanao rail should be made into a one way loop. meaning there is no opposing train trip...


Kung taga Tagum City ka at gusto mo pumunta ng Digos iikutin mo pa yung Mindanao?

It doesn’t make sense.
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Kung taga Tagum City ka at gusto mo pumunta ng Digos iikutin mo pa yung Mindanao?

It doesn’t make sense.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 01:47 PM   #268
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kapag nagging dual track ba gigibain ang unang pinatayo na single track?

parang hindi naman most part. try muna nila magsingle track. hindi naman siguro mahal ang mga passing loop. pag successful e magdual track. bilhin nalang ang necessary ROW immediately for the 2nd track para future proof.

ang iksi lang kasi ng 1st phase. feeling ko mas magboboom kung magagawa ang next phases.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 02:15 PM   #269
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It basically defeats the purpose of the railway system, kaya ka nga nag-tren para bumilis byahe mo eh.
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It basically defeats the purpose of the railway system, kaya ka nga nag-tren para bumilis byahe mo eh.
now do you think a single track rail makes sense ?
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If NEDA finds the ridership cannot meet the revenues required to pay back the loans on time, they have to do what's workable.

You only need a provision for a passing loop so opposite trains can pass each other, on specific locations. I remember that is done also for roads which has a single lane. Passing stations are provided.
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Old April 26th, 2018, 04:16 PM   #272
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Initial info about the project is actually available online:

The rail line will be built with a single track, with provisions for future tracks and electrification. It will have six 5-car passenger trains (Diesel Multiple Units) with 3 spare cars, 4 locomotives and 15 freight cars. source: DOTr
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Old April 27th, 2018, 02:23 AM   #273
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Govt of course will secure the RROW for DUAL track provision already for future proofing purposes.
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For aslong as the government is able to pay back, loans will do no real harm
I do think that the MR should have provisions for dual track and electricity for future expansions
Never knew that MR is designed for electrified railway. That's news to me.
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50's or 60's pa ata na plan yun

hopefully there will be a provision for interisland in the far far far future
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Govt of course will secure the RROW for DUAL track provision already for future proofing purposes.
Hahaha. Government will secure the RROW then the squatters will fill those spaces up.
Future-proofing is too high an order.
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Future proofing = squatter invasion

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Department of Transportation - Philippines
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TINGNAN: Ipinag-utos ni Secretary Tugade na huwag hayaang magkaroon ng anumang delay ang proseso ng pag-procure para sa Mindanao Railway Project.

Dagdag pa nya, hindi maaaring mas mababa ang kalidad ng riles at tren sa Mindanao kumpara sa mga riles at tren na pina-planong itayo at paganahin sa Metro Manila.

Pantay-pantay, walang lamangan, IISANG LAHI, IISANG BANSA.

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dapat ituloy na yan.. pangako yan na dapat di mapako... sabi by june mag uumpisa na ng phase 1...

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Does this qualify as epal?

In other countries, I only see billboards with basic information, without pictures, below that is the name of the implementing agency or level of gov't undertaking the project.
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