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Old May 1st, 2013, 11:56 AM   #121
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Still trying to understand traffic flow!
Me too. From that it appears if you get as far as Stephenson Monument and decide you want to go west it can't be done except via St Nicholas St and back past Tokyo.

I'm not sure what the red lines are telling us?
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Old May 1st, 2013, 01:02 PM   #122
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Would seem par for the course with NCC.

Coming east if you don't go over the Redheugh Bridge try and see if you can get south.

Swing Bridge - you can't (legally) turn right on the bridge.

High Level Bridge - no access to normal traffic south.

Tyne Bridge - again you can't simply turn right and go south.

All of this leads to congestion throughout the town and in front of the Central.

Not surprising that the traffic flow is poor as the guy that was in charge of traffic at NCC was someone who couldn't drive!!
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Old May 1st, 2013, 02:02 PM   #123
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Thanks for the information however I am unable to understand what the red lines mean?

I like the idea of a public Square at Stephenson Monument though and that "Service Road and "Lower" Grainger Street fully pedestrianised" which is good as that street is too small for one way traffic. I've had to dodge many vehicles in that area.

Is there an official map with more information?
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Old May 1st, 2013, 03:20 PM   #124
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Thanks for the information however I am unable to understand what the red lines mean?
Bus lanes?
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Old May 1st, 2013, 07:39 PM   #125
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Me too. From that it appears if you get as far as Stephenson Monument and decide you want to go west it can't be done except via St Nicholas St and back past Tokyo.

I'm not sure what the red lines are telling us?
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Bus lanes?
Correct on all counts. Sorry should have explained that!! Yeah if you're coming from say the O2 Academy to get the staton by car you have to travel along Westgate Road, Collingwood, St Nicholas, Westgate, Neville, Clayton, Bewick and cross Neville
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Old May 1st, 2013, 07:42 PM   #126
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Correct on all counts. Sorry should have explained that!! Yeah if you're coming from say the O2 Academy to get the staton by car you have to travel along Westgate Road, Collingwood, St Nicholas, Westgate, Neville, Clayton, Bewick and cross Neville
I'm sure it will all turn out to be a great solution, hang on, what's that flying past my window?
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Old May 1st, 2013, 07:45 PM   #127
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£20m Central Station upgrade, how Neville Street could look
By Kate proctor, The Chronicle, 1st May 2013





A RAIL STATION to rival those of major European cities is the vision for Newcastle’s re-vamped Central Station. As £20m plans are unveiled for the new-look building, joint investor and regeneration company NE1 Ltd believes an upgrade could help elevate the city’s reputation internationally. Sean Bullick, Chief Executive of NE1 Ltd, said: “We’ve looked to Sheffield and London King’s Cross for inspiration on their huge station upgrade projects but as with everything we do, we look to make sure that we are a leading European regional capital. With this project we are endeavouring to make sure that we are up there with the competition in Europe.”

Plans include dramatic improvements to the area in front of the station including direct pedestrian crossings on Neville Street and lower Grainger Street paid for by the council. A two-way cycle track at the west end of Neville Street, south of St Mary’s Cathedral, will be installed and the flow of traffic at the front of the station will also be altered to ease congestion.



Newcastle City Council’s Deputy Cabinet Member for Skills, Business and Enterprise, Michael Johnson, said the station’s redevelopment is an economic necessity for the city. He said: “It’s been a tough time financially but we’re confident that we need to invest in the city because we need an uplift in business rates and to improve revenue streams.”


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Old May 1st, 2013, 08:07 PM   #128
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If they put as much effort into the construction as they have with these visuals we are in deep shit
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Old May 1st, 2013, 09:16 PM   #129
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I think they've some nerve comparing any of it to Sheffield - which I really think is mind-blowing compared to what it was - and even if it had just been OK before, it's still somethin else...

Also love the guy saying the internal works will make CS comparable with the new hall at Kings Cross...

As the most fountain-deprived city in the Western Hemisphere (I'm being silly and making that up, please don't someone find a stat), perhaps the new squares would be the ideal places? I know wind is a big factor....perhaps the new 'lower Grainger Street' is sheltered enough to have a little something splashy...Starbucks outdoor seating, the other units along there tarted up (they're currently SHOCKING), the new Hilton (or whoever it'll be at Baron House) opening out....ooooh I'm having visions of a 'great European rail gateway'... *wakes up*.

FWIW, I really like the station building proposals, but part of me thinks it should have been all or nothing. It would seem nothing is being done 'over the bridge' to the dire platforms out the back - Northern Rail platforms etc. And I really am quite narked that they're banging on about how useful it all is for connectivity to the Stephenson Quarter...when until they add an entrance at the rear, it's just a massive big wall between the city and the Stephenson Quarter. ARGH.

Extend the big platform bridge over the straight platforms at the back, nice glass tower with some lifts and escalators down to street level. Not hard. And I'm not even a town planner.

Also, in discussing some promo opps with the station manager, he gave me a bit of a timeline for the works inside - I'll dig them out at work tomorrow...but it's starting very soon, in only a couple of phases, and the schedule seems unfeasibly quick...so fingers crossed it won't be rushed, and he just got the months/years wrong in his email!

Anyway, that's me done for another while
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Old May 1st, 2013, 10:00 PM   #130
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The building itself is far better than Sheffield station in terms of grandeur, scale and architecture. Sheffield has had a nice job of modernisation though.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 10:17 PM   #131
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Oh yeah of course, I mean the external improvements etc. What we've got as a starting point is incomparable...which is why this scheme should be something special!
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Old May 1st, 2013, 11:23 PM   #132
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I don't get it, I thought they wanted some landscaping in there, a bit of green. The only thing like that I see is a couple of trees, everything else is fancy paving which will be ripe within 12 months when a pipe bursts or road works need to be done and patched up with a bit of tarmac whilst some worker somewhere gets a nice new patio.
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Old May 1st, 2013, 11:31 PM   #133
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£20m. £8.6m for the station itself. What, in these plans for the surrounding area, is costing 11.4 million quid? It's just some paving and a couple of pedestrian crossings?

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Old May 2nd, 2013, 12:01 AM   #134
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As an interested bystander the plans look pretty good. Still I look forward to reading 12 months of nit picking and whingeing over this development, this forum wouldn't be the same without it.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 12:08 AM   #135
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I've been saying for ages that Newcastle is crying out for a re-work akin to Sheffield. Is this it? Probably not. Without demolishing Barron House for a public square (similar to Sheffield demolishing Dyson House) it would be hard to replicate Sheffield's grand entry. However it is good to see something is being done. Just wish there was a space for a square and a fountain (and Sheffield is a windy city too believe me!).

Will be interesting to see how it turns out.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 09:40 AM   #136
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As an interested bystander the plans look pretty good. Still I look forward to reading 12 months of nit picking and whingeing over this development, this forum wouldn't be the same without it.
It's what we do!
Either reasoned and informed opinion and comment or alternatively bigoted hate filled rant - you takes your choice.

The CS redevelopment is important and it's not going to please everyone as it's a transport hub and pinch point.
I welcome the investment but would like to see more greenery in the area.
From the artists impression it looks as though some of the few trees along the western side are being removed to give access to the public pick up area.
Also the traffic principle seems to be the shortest route between two points is to do a full loop round town to get back where you started!
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 12:37 PM   #137
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Correct on all counts. Sorry should have explained that!! Yeah if you're coming from say the O2 Academy to get the staton by car you have to travel along Westgate Road, Collingwood, St Nicholas, Westgate, Neville, Clayton, Bewick and cross Neville
If you are coming past the O2 Academy, you will have come from St. James Blvd, which instead of using Westgate Road, you could come off at the Westmorland Road junction, to get to Bewick Street much more easily.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 12:42 PM   #138
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Newcastle City Council have put some links to plans on the following webpage
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/parking-...entral-gateway

Edited: I entered the URL wrong

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Newcastle City Council have put some links to plans on the following webpage
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-transport/travel-planning/central-gateway
Link seems to be broken - just takes you to the search page?
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Link seems to be broken - just takes you to the search page?
I entered the URL incorrectly, I have corrected this now. Thanks for pointing it out.
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