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Old March 12th, 2016, 10:38 AM   #41
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I like this. Thought it may have been a random / rain screen cladding nightmare but looks good.
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It has to be said, this application is a very brave and confident proposal, and may finally shrug NCC's planning department towards a policy of Newcastle being a BIG city.

Scrolling through the D&A statement, the proposal cites Leeds and Manchester and their policy of building big- despite the immediate historical context surrounding it.

This is a confident articulation of Newcastle as being a city up there with the big cities of the UK. Something sorely forgot and permeated through the divide and conquer mentality of Tyneside's local political set up.

This does seem to clearly bullseye the percieved historical compliancy of NCC Planning to reject ambition while clinging on to historical context rhetoric to block bravery.

This of course could be a generational reaction to some of the sublime travesties to befall Newcastle's modern history through certain ill thought out modernist interventions in the city.

This PRS scheme could indeed be a turning point, however, it is flanked by other schemes in the pipeline that seem to have used up all of their ambition to just table the schemes, rather in the result of what it will be.

Science Central is admirable in having a grand scale mixed use extension to the city, but is unenthusiastic in its physical proposals. The masterplan, designed by a London outfit does seem to have been designed from Google maps, roads link up and break up the site into plots but there seems to have been no study of Newcastle's own unique historical urban grain, nor does it attempt to build any buildings of real clout, sublimity or exposition to showcase Newcastle as a city of growth and confidence. It is all too safe and frankly, boring.

Downing Plaza, once a petri dish for experimental high rise in the city, concurrent with the other UK regional cities millenial fascination with high rise- were all ruled out (while other cities build theirs- look at the economic performance of Leeds and Manchester, no doubt boosted economically and perceptually by having the balls to build something tall and skyliney) while the end result of Downing Plaza's endeavours is a student ghetto of cladding subcontractor designed boxes- the low hanging fruit of inner city development.

And finally, St. James Metro. Coupled with an unambitious football club, this site has gone from potentially being one of the most unique and special places in the city to being just another Downing Plaza of mid scale mush that does nothing for our city.
This site could have hosted an actual high rise AND a public space, with a metro station and 50K fans to populate it.
Imagine a tower of mixed use office/resi- hell even student to beef up the numbers sitting adjacent to a public space and an expanded Gallowgate. A vista when viewed from Windmill Hills not unlike the CN Tower and Bluejays stadium in Toronto. A perhaps unique skyline for websites like this to get aroused by.

Architecture and urban design is a reflection of a cities collective confidence and expression. It is perhaps paradoxical in that a confident city produces exciting architecture but then exciting architecture can also create a confident city- providing the assets to generate is not all lumped into one proposition -we can't all be Bilbao.

What I hope for the future is that Newcastle, through developments like this, can return to being a bold, brave city with edgy proposals that push the planners into thinking rather than throwing the book at proposals so the city can take its rightful place as being the urban centre that projects confidence and growth from a region starved of both for too long.
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Old March 12th, 2016, 03:53 PM   #43
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The biggest issue I could see from the design and access statement was the impact on certain historic areas. Especially the one where it looms over Charlotte Square.
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It has to be said, this application is a very brave and confident proposal, and may finally shrug NCC's planning department towards a policy of Newcastle being a BIG city.

Scrolling through the D&A statement, the proposal cites Leeds and Manchester and their policy of building big- despite the immediate historical context surrounding it.

This is a confident articulation of Newcastle as being a city up there with the big cities of the UK. Something sorely forgot and permeated through the divide and conquer mentality of Tyneside's local political set up.

This does seem to clearly bullseye the percieved historical compliancy of NCC Planning to reject ambition while clinging on to historical context rhetoric to block bravery.

This of course could be a generational reaction to some of the sublime travesties to befall Newcastle's modern history through certain ill thought out modernist interventions in the city.

This PRS scheme could indeed be a turning point, however, it is flanked by other schemes in the pipeline that seem to have used up all of their ambition to just table the schemes, rather in the result of what it will be.

Science Central is admirable in having a grand scale mixed use extension to the city, but is unenthusiastic in its physical proposals. The masterplan, designed by a London outfit does seem to have been designed from Google maps, roads link up and break up the site into plots but there seems to have been no study of Newcastle's own unique historical urban grain, nor does it attempt to build any buildings of real clout, sublimity or exposition to showcase Newcastle as a city of growth and confidence. It is all too safe and frankly, boring.

Downing Plaza, once a petri dish for experimental high rise in the city, concurrent with the other UK regional cities millenial fascination with high rise- were all ruled out (while other cities build theirs- look at the economic performance of Leeds and Manchester, no doubt boosted economically and perceptually by having the balls to build something tall and skyliney) while the end result of Downing Plaza's endeavours is a student ghetto of cladding subcontractor designed boxes- the low hanging fruit of inner city development.

And finally, St. James Metro. Coupled with an unambitious football club, this site has gone from potentially being one of the most unique and special places in the city to being just another Downing Plaza of mid scale mush that does nothing for our city.
This site could have hosted an actual high rise AND a public space, with a metro station and 50K fans to populate it.
Imagine a tower of mixed use office/resi- hell even student to beef up the numbers sitting adjacent to a public space and an expanded Gallowgate. A vista when viewed from Windmill Hills not unlike the CN Tower and Bluejays stadium in Toronto. A perhaps unique skyline for websites like this to get aroused by.

Architecture and urban design is a reflection of a cities collective confidence and expression. It is perhaps paradoxical in that a confident city produces exciting architecture but then exciting architecture can also create a confident city- providing the assets to generate is not all lumped into one proposition -we can't all be Bilbao.

What I hope for the future is that Newcastle, through developments like this, can return to being a bold, brave city with edgy proposals that push the planners into thinking rather than throwing the book at proposals so the city can take its rightful place as being the urban centre that projects confidence and growth from a region starved of both for too long.
Plus one. Newcastle is not a city with a homogeneous core, it has developed and this is [ought to be] part of that. Not taking that into account runs the risk of Poundbury.
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Old March 14th, 2016, 05:09 PM   #45
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Plus one. Newcastle is not a city with a homogeneous core, it has developed and this is [ought to be] part of that. Not taking that into account runs the risk of Poundbury.
Newcastles not on its own in subsuming other local centres- Manchester/ Salford, Birmingham/ Black Country, even moddlesbrough/Stockton is really teesside with Middlesbrough it's true centre.

Not sure what you mean by poundbury though?
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Old March 15th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #46
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Some new (I think) images for the Rutherford Living proposal in this article:

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busin...-city-11042241

One bit did confuse me...can anyone clarify what this is referring to?

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And it is one of 10 proposed or consent high-rise buildings – over 30m high – within a 400m radius of the Rutherford Street site, alongside the cluster of six tall buildings already in place at Downing Plaza, and existing buildings at St James’ Park, Citygate, The Core, and Wellbar Centre.
Ten?
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Old March 15th, 2016, 08:22 PM   #47
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Nice image from this article
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busin...-city-11042241

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Old March 15th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #48
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Newcastles not on its own in subsuming other local centres- Manchester/ Salford, Birmingham/ Black Country, even moddlesbrough/Stockton is really teesside with Middlesbrough it's true centre.

Not sure what you mean by poundbury though?
Poundbury - Charlie Windsor's ideal village which is a pastiche of middle England, faux Georgian houses etc.

My train of thought was that it is easy [and dangerous] to think 'oh that will look different from the building next door' and instead almost build replicas of what is around it. That might make sense in the centre of Krakow or Florence but when the city's styles are so heterogeneous a new building can 'jar' and not necessarily fit perfectly through our eyes but in 20 years [or 200] it's just another layer in the city's design.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 10:19 PM   #49
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It has to be said, this application is a very brave and confident proposal, and may finally shrug NCC's planning department towards a policy of Newcastle being a BIG city.

Scrolling through the D&A statement, the proposal cites Leeds and Manchester and their policy of building big- despite the immediate historical context surrounding it.

This is a confident articulation of Newcastle as being a city up there with the big cities of the UK. Something sorely forgot and permeated through the divide and conquer mentality of Tyneside's local political set up.

This does seem to clearly bullseye the percieved historical compliancy of NCC Planning to reject ambition while clinging on to historical context rhetoric to block bravery.

This of course could be a generational reaction to some of the sublime travesties to befall Newcastle's modern history through certain ill thought out modernist interventions in the city.

This PRS scheme could indeed be a turning point, however, it is flanked by other schemes in the pipeline that seem to have used up all of their ambition to just table the schemes, rather in the result of what it will be.

Science Central is admirable in having a grand scale mixed use extension to the city, but is unenthusiastic in its physical proposals. The masterplan, designed by a London outfit does seem to have been designed from Google maps, roads link up and break up the site into plots but there seems to have been no study of Newcastle's own unique historical urban grain, nor does it attempt to build any buildings of real clout, sublimity or exposition to showcase Newcastle as a city of growth and confidence. It is all too safe and frankly, boring.

Downing Plaza, once a petri dish for experimental high rise in the city, concurrent with the other UK regional cities millenial fascination with high rise- were all ruled out (while other cities build theirs- look at the economic performance of Leeds and Manchester, no doubt boosted economically and perceptually by having the balls to build something tall and skyliney) while the end result of Downing Plaza's endeavours is a student ghetto of cladding subcontractor designed boxes- the low hanging fruit of inner city development.

And finally, St. James Metro. Coupled with an unambitious football club, this site has gone from potentially being one of the most unique and special places in the city to being just another Downing Plaza of mid scale mush that does nothing for our city.
This site could have hosted an actual high rise AND a public space, with a metro station and 50K fans to populate it.
Imagine a tower of mixed use office/resi- hell even student to beef up the numbers sitting adjacent to a public space and an expanded Gallowgate. A vista when viewed from Windmill Hills not unlike the CN Tower and Bluejays stadium in Toronto. A perhaps unique skyline for websites like this to get aroused by.

Architecture and urban design is a reflection of a cities collective confidence and expression. It is perhaps paradoxical in that a confident city produces exciting architecture but then exciting architecture can also create a confident city- providing the assets to generate is not all lumped into one proposition -we can't all be Bilbao.

What I hope for the future is that Newcastle, through developments like this, can return to being a bold, brave city with edgy proposals that push the planners into thinking rather than throwing the book at proposals so the city can take its rightful place as being the urban centre that projects confidence and growth from a region starved of both for too long.
Best post about Newcastle I've read in ages. Well done that man.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 01:10 AM   #50
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Posted in the UK City Talk forum (Large scale and prominent inner city proposals);

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Planning application submitted to Newcastle City Council for a 26 storey PRS scheme (162 units) at 27 Rutherford Street, Newcastle city centre:

https://publicaccessapplications.new...=O35LD8BSG8M00





http://www.rutherfordforliving.com/vision/
Perhaps this one should have its own thread now?
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Old March 17th, 2016, 04:05 PM   #51
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Probably not considering it'll get knocked back for being too tall.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 04:17 PM   #52
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Posted in the UK City Talk forum (Large scale and prominent inner city proposals);

Perhaps this one should have its own thread now?
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Probably not, considering it'll get knocked back for being too tall.

Definitely going to get its own thread, will be a GREAT one to follow . . . hopefully!

Perhaps, as tameracingdriver says, wait until when/if it gets final approval, as I don't think that has happened yet.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 05:03 PM   #53
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It will be forced to reduce in height as most tall plans do when they face Newcastle planning department. Wasn't Downing supposed to be much taller than it ended up being as it was forced to reduce in height so we maintain our flat skyline (apart from the football stadium because that can stick out like a sore thumb because it's Newcastle United!)
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Old March 17th, 2016, 06:00 PM   #54
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27 Rutherford Street | Newcastle | 26fl | Proposed

I wouldn't be surprised if Newcastle airport decided to object to it. They object to anything above the size of a town house. Plenty of other airports in the world can deal with tall buildings nearby, but Newcastle.
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Old March 18th, 2016, 02:41 PM   #55
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It's a big scheme, a thread should be made for it no matter what stage of the development process it's at.

Also would be good to get some comments of support in on the planning application
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27 Rutherford Street | Newcastle | 26fl | Proposed

Architect: FaulknerBrowns
Developer: Stonegate Developments & New Leaf Investments
Height: 26 floors, 82m
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News Articles: Chronicle, Construction Enquirer, InsiderMedia
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Old March 19th, 2016, 01:46 AM   #57
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Sorry, but this is the right type of (residential) city centre building but in the wrong place.
Too overpowering of the city walls area.
Somewhere else, yes, but not in this exact location.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 10:39 AM   #58
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At some point in our great city's history, someone decided those precious city walls were best suited as a rat and cockroach infested back lane to a line of restaurants, hidden from view and unreachable to the general public.

Things change. This is an excellent proposal, of unusually high quality compared to Downing Plaza over the road, and should be pushed through post haste.
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It's terrible-2 wrongs don't make a right. Nothing unique , no signs of street interaction, generic clad and externals, incongruous setting.
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I am glad Newcastle hasn't gone down the road of tall for tall's sake.
There is nothing necessarily great about tall buildings and having a few dotted around a city doesn't make that city "big". Many of the great cities of Europe and the world don't have any skyscrapers at all.
Manchester has one of tallest building in the UK and many of the people of that city voted it one of the most hated buildings there.
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