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Old September 19th, 2016, 12:54 AM   #561
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I never said I was against federalism!
And you think that if you create a nation based on ethnicity ,there wont be any problems and people will live in peace?If you think so then you don't know anything about human nature.Suppos Drc has to be broken up to cater for each ethnic group,how many states would you personally suggest as the optimal number of states?There is no ethnically homogeneous in the world and ,even if you build one today,it will be totally impossible to sustain it that way.If you take the example of Nigeria,you find Igbo states,yorubas states,hausas....etc.but even these ethnically homogeneous states,things aint smooth and peaceful .I f there are multiple Yoruba or Igbo states is coz even among themselves yorubas or igbos don't get along in peace.Each sub-group of these ethnic group wants its own state and so on......Humans are unsatiable !
Yeah right, I do not want to go back into Federalism discussions, you have shown and gave some examples of why its wrong for Africa..at same time you have expressed that you are a centrist....Im fine with tha, we can each stick to what we believe is best.





Yes, ethnic based ountries are the richest and most stable countries in the world.....while there are some FEDERAL exceptions like Belgium, Canda, Spain, Swiss who are multi ethnic and rich/developed thanks for being Federation which prevents foolishness based n ethniics/tribes like Africa ad Middle east.


US, Argentina,Mexico etc are diverserve, multi etchnic, cultural Nation states for simple facts that they use 1 single language as official...This is one of the 2 suggestions I preffer to see Congos in.....Unless you preffer that we keep French





I be;eive that each province must keep majority of it money and be the one that has to manage it own money and make it own local laws and regulations.....again, Unless you give your money to some else to manage it for you because you are incapable of managing it yourself

Like I said, politics and economics in both Congos and asFRICA AS A WHOLE IS BASED ON TRIBAL/ETHNIC IDENTITY...WHY DO YOU THINK lUBA GET OFFENDED WHEN THEIR DEMI GOD YA tSHITSHI IS CRITICISED? OR WHY DO YOU THINK THERE ARE SOME kATANGAIS WHO SUPPORT Kabila UNTIL NOW BECAUSE HE IS "lUBA OF Katanga"? OR kAMERHE BECAUSE HE IS sHI ETHNIC? REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY PERFORM, SAY OR DO?



Africans and most Congolese try to ignore the elephant in the living room.

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Old September 19th, 2016, 03:11 AM   #562
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You mentioned Nigeria as one of the reasons why Federalism is wrong for Africa.
Another times you have mentioned ho it would not work due to tribal riveries in provinces.....But that's fine fine, you have proven countess times that you are a Centruist.



Yes, creating nations based on ethnicity is why almost all Nation States in the world are the richest , and most stable..

Mixed up (fake countries as I like to call them) is the reason why Euro[peans created these useless, fake countries because they knew Africans will be fighting , opposing one another based on Tribas, ethnicties instead of merit.....That is extactly what has been happening since independence and I can bring up very clear examples to prove to you as we speak........and as foolish as Africans are, they mostly have not come up with solutions...another example why Africans lack education or intenectuals. capable of fixing the issue.

BTW, When the Europeans PURPOSELY divided Africa, they wha they were doing because they themselves een through the same thing for centuries.



I brought up the Federalism idea because I KNOW its the best system this country can best walk with and im prepared to give you the answers for that.
Don't give too much credit to Europeans:They never created African countries with the idea of dividing and rule!
The conquest of Africa and the berlin conference that sanctioned it was a land grab business,where the fastest ones got the best and biggest lands.There was no considerations given to ethnicity.There is no difference between the way European powers grabbed lands in Africa and the way cowboys did it in America:Whites didn't have the luxury of wasting time pondering about ethnic divides and frontiers!
I would want to you to give me an example of an ethnically homogeneous country in world.Even if you remove foreigners from European countries,these countries aint ethnically homogeneous.In france you have corses,basques,francs,......and their original languages are totally different.In uk you have welshs,irishs,scottishs,saxons,etc...Even japan which is always presented as the closest thing to an ethnically homogeneous country aint that homogeneous coz you the ainus who are racially totally different from the mainstream japaneses.If you were tasked to implement your vision in your own province of kivu ,how would you go about it considering there plenty ethnic groups there and each of these ethnic group,according to your own view,is entitled of its own state that reflect their language,culture and identiy?Can you draw a roadmap of how you gonna achieve your aim?

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Don't give too much credit to Europeans:They never created African countries with the idea of dividing and rule!
The conquest of Africa and the berlin conference that sanctioned it was a land grab business,where the fastest ones got the best and biggest lands.There was no considerations given to ethnicity.There is no difference between the way European powers grabbed lands in Africa and the way cowboys did it in America:Whites didn't have the luxury of wasting time pondering about ethnic divides and frontiers!
I would want to you to give me an example of an ethnically homogeneous country in world.Even if you remove foreigners from European countries,these countries aint ethnically homogeneous.In france you have corses,basques,francs,......and their original languages are totally different.In uk you have welshs,irishs,scottishs,saxons,etc...Even japan which is always presented as the closest thing to an ethnically homogeneous country aint that homogeneous coz you the ainus who are racially totally different from the mainstream japaneses.If you were tasked to implement your vision in your own province of kivu ,how would you go about it considering there plenty ethnic groups there and each of these ethnic group,according to your own view,is entitled of its own state that reflect their language,culture and identiy?Can you draw a roadmap of how you gonna achieve your aim?
North Kivu is a federalist minded province (wants to manage it own money and master of it own socio economic development).

It has already proven that by it residents building Goma, Beni and Butembo..from what you see in pictures of Hotels, Boats, houses, schools, health centers and planning of the cities. despite the facts that the useless Central Govt takes all it money like it does with all other provinces.

Sud Kivu and Maniema provinces have also been building their provces as well. they all have their threads you can check.

Each ethnic has it own territoire or county and each is responsible for own development apart from the provincial capitals that they all share.
They all 3 speak 1 language. Kiswahili. and they each want to manage own maoney and socio economic development.


BTW; This Federalist mentality came from Katanga. its no brainer why In these Kivus rovinces they vote Katangan leaders.
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North Kivu is a federalist minded province (wants to manage it own money and master of it own socio economic development).

It has already proven that by it residents building Goma, Beni and Butembo..from what you see in pictures of Hotels, Boats, houses, schools, health centers and planning of the cities. despite the facts that the useless Central Govt takes all it money like it does with all other provinces.

Sud Kivu and Maniema provinces have also been building their provces as well. they all have their threads you can check.

Each ethnic has it own territoire or county and each is responsible for own development apart from the provincial capitals that they all share.
They all 3 speak 1 language. Kiswahili. and they each want to manage own maoney and socio economic development.


BTW; This Federalist mentality came from Katanga. its no brainer why In these Kivus rovinces they vote Katangan leaders.
That doesn't answer my questions!
In kivu you have more than 20 ethnic groups and there is no way you gonna say it will be an ethnically homogeneous state.Each of these ethnic groups has its own language,culture ,history,......Shouldn't each ethnic group has it own country?Anyway,the kivu construction is a colonial structure and to build a state on it would be to agree with the white man legacy.You cant say DRC is bad coz it is a colonial construction and say kivu is good.It doent add up!
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That doesn't answer my questions!
In kivu you have more than 20 ethnic groups and there is no way you gonna say it will be an ethnically homogeneous state.Each of these ethnic groups has its own language,culture ,history,......Shouldn't each ethnic group has it own country?Anyway,the kivu construction is a colonial structure and to build a state on it would be to agree with the white man legacy.You cant say DRC is bad coz it is a colonial construction and say kivu is good.It doent add up!
Kivu is a region made uo of 3 provinces being North Kivu, Sud Kivu and Mnaiema. they used to be 1 single province untill 1998 when Mnaiema and North Kivu asked to be their own provinces on their own.


Im from North Kivu province, and it capital of Goma.
Other cities are Butembo, Beni.

North Kivu built itself entirely from an absolute rural agricultural province to what it is now...

Colonia construction? since when? Goma, Beni, Butembo were built entrely by Nrth Kivutien, the house, the Hotels, the boats etc all by North Kivutens. including the planning of the cities, with excepption of a dozen houses and buildings in the tiny Goma downtown....It was destroyed by the vocano, but was very fast rebuilt.


What colonial construuction are you talking about in North Kivu?

The Architecture? well, who really cares? Kivutiens in general think and care only about economy, business and the region as a whole has been building itself against the odds, against the facts that the theives in CG have been taking their hard earned money like they do iwth the rest of the country.


The whole region's ethnic groups speaks 1 langaue. SWAHILI is the supreme language there..

Goma, Bukavu and Kindu are all very ethncially mixed with ethnic fgrpups from allover the Kivu provinces and have been ;iving harmonlously fro decades...all they think of is again, the economy, the business.


Goma is suposed to be getting Internation flights, but the cowardly CG and boss Kabila has restricted that from happening...why do you think North Kivu is very vocal anti Kabila province?

If it was left aloe? it been left alone since 1998.

So, im not sure wh you assume otherwise when it has provoven as an asnwer to your questions.

Kivu is a defacto automous region....It has proven that it can be a country on it own.


As i mentioned, development starts local as Kivu has proven.....while you uwait for a miracle frm the Central govt. LOL


The impression i have is tha you do not understand waht Federalism, and you have no clue about local development and governnce nor about DRC's earcthern region.....You seem to know only about King, Bas Coongo and Bandundu.
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QUOTE=Umoja;135349393]

Le gouvernement de la Tshopo réclame la retenue de 40% des recettes à la source

Le gouvernement provincial de la Tshopo réclame la retenue à la source de 40% des recettes à caractère national. Le porte-parole du gouvernement, Freddy Isomela, a indiqué dimanche 11 septembre que cette retenue pourra réglementer le développement de différents projets dans la province.


http://www.radiookapi.net/2016/09/13...es-recettes-la[/QUOTE]






1st government of the neww province already reclaiming it 40%, previous 2 govts of then Grand PO were very vical on the 40% as well.



More provinces are getting the message Mzee told them. "Prennex vous en charge, organisez vous". or better ye "Uko mwalimu wa maendeleo ya jamaa yako".
9 "You are the master of your community development").

Kasai Central and Orientale have gotten the message , Tshopo has joined.




The future govt will certainly waont have an easy time unless it respects decentralization.
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Un exemple concret de ce qu'on pense être un moyen de reprendre le contrôle de nos économies.

Le président du Bénin, Monsieur Patrice Talon dit non au contrôle total des ports du Bénin par Boloré. Excellente décision!!!

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jeux et une poignée de Mini bus qu'il va me convaincre. [..]. Le Port de Cotonou n'est pas à vendre (concédé). Un port est le coeurd'une économie pour les pays comme le notre, on ne peut pas en confier la gestion complète à des occidentaux. Si besoin il y a, nous privilégierons des opérateurs nationaux ou africains. Je ne critique pas ceux qui l'ont fait, mais nous non, en tout cas pas sous mon mandat. S'il veut être éligible il faudrait qu'il s'allie avec des nationaux qui peseraient au moins 45%. C'est valable pour les autres. Il n'a pas financé ma campagne, je ne lui dois rien
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Of course that is a national infrastructure which must be in the hands of the government/country....Unlike DRC which it president is a foreigner himself.
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Un exemple concret de ce qu'on pense être un moyen de reprendre le contrôle de nos économies.

Le président du Bénin, Monsieur Patrice Talon dit non au contrôle total des ports du Bénin par Boloré. Excellente décision!!!

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Vincent Bolloré : la présidence du Bénin nie les propos rapportés par le Monde Afrique

Dans un communiqué, la direction de la communication de la présidence de la République a rejeté les propos attribués à Patrice Talon par le site du Monde Afrique (lire ici) concernant l'homme d'affaires français Vincent Bolloré et le port de Cotonou. Lire ci-dessous le communiqué

Communiqué de la Direction de la communication de la Présidence de la République

La prétendue déclaration du Chef de l'Etat, Patrice Talon, au sujet d'un opérateur économique étranger à propos du Port de Cotonou est une énième intoxication que les auteurs n'ont même pas pris la peine de revêtir de la règle basique en matière de journalisme, c'est-à-dire du lieu, du moment et de l'occasion.

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^ Voyons ce qui va suivre dans les prochains jours... Ça serait un bel exemple
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Il y a 5 jours, c'était le port la Guinée Conakry qui était à la Une sur le site du journal le Monde

[QUOTE][Tout commence par un décret présidentiel. A la télévision publique guinéenne, d’une voix monocorde, la présentatrice vêtue d’un joli boubou turquoise annonce la résiliation de la concession portuaire confiée trois ans plus tôt à Getma, filiale de l’opérateur portuaire français Necotrans. Nous sommes le lundi 8 mars 2011. Le soir même, les locaux de la société française à Conakry sont investis par des militaires. Deux jours plus tard, le terminal à conteneurs du port de Conakry est confié au groupe Bolloré. L’opération a été rondement menée, mais la guerre entre les deux opérateurs portuaires français en Afrique n’est pas terminée et va réserver quelques surprises. Comme ces rebondissements, cinq ans plus tard, au détour d’une enquête de la justice française.

Lire aussi : Vincent Bolloré : « Notre méthode, c’est plutôt du commando que de l’armée régulière »
Arrivés un peu par hasard sur ce dossier de l’attribution du port de Conakry au groupe Bolloré, les juges ont procédé à plusieurs perquisitions sur un pan de l’empire de l’industriel breton. Loin des polémiques franco-françaises autour de la reprise en main de Canal Plus, la saga du port de Conakry soulève des questions qui fâchent, celles de soupçons de corruption et de favoritisme. Et avec elles, son cortège d’acteurs équivoques. Anciens ministres français devenus lobbyistes, grands avocats, communicants, agents des services de renseignement reconvertis dans le privé et autres hommes d’affaires proches de dirigeants africains. Avec eux, c’est aussi la bonne étoile du groupe Bolloré en Afrique qui pourrait être remise en cause.
La valse des « amis » du président

« Vincent [Bolloré], je le connais depuis quarante ans, lâche d’emblée Alpha Condé, chef de l’Etat guinéen, élu une première fois en décembre 2010, trois mois avant les faits, puis réélu en octobre 2015 dès le premier tour. Là, il est en Indonésie sinon je l’aurais appelé et on aurait dîné tous ensemble chez Laurent [restaurant gastronomique étoilé parisien] ».
Alpha Condé reçoit au printemps 2016 dans sa suite de l’hôtel Raphaël, à Paris. Costume, cravate et chaussons du palace aux pieds, il semble s’amuser des soupçons qui planent sur le port de Conakry depuis son fameux décret. « Bolloré remplissait toutes les conditions d’appel d’offres et je peux vous dire que plus personne ne voulait de Getma [Necotrans] qui n’a pas honoré ses engagements, dit-il. Depuis que je suis élu, le fils [de Patrick] Balkany m’a demandé un permis minier, d’autres Français m’ont demandé des faveurs, mais pas Bolloré dont le groupe travaille et développe le port de Conakry. »
Son amitié avec le magnat breton, forgée lors de son long exil d’opposant à Paris, a-t-elle influé sur sa décision ? « C’est un ami. Je privilégie les amis. Et alors ? », répond-il débonnaire, en s’esclaffant.

En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/articl...S6MP.99/QUOTE]

La suite
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I think we need to get back to entrepreneurial topics, and related to DRC. we have derailed the topic for other African countries.
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Bringing electricity to a city , Starting an Urban Public Transport, Paving several major urban roads, rehabilitating/constructing Public provincial offices?

Aire de Jeux? So, having a clean/dustless venue/groud where social events will be taking place is so bad, its White, its un-African....Sports is also un-African, its white.

I do not need to be impressed, nor do I think both Kande and Kasanji been working to impressed anyone outside their communities but rather because they want and have the will to get their communities out of backwardness and shame.

They are small things, but they certainly have a positive impact on these 2 communities....This is the beauty of local initiatives, local development.

Kande and Kasanji understood that if they keep waiting for the so called Intectuals in the seless Central govt their communities will forever be shameful and drained in backwardness..better to start somewhere and give their communities some hope.



I rather find it interesting that some Congolese downplay these local developmental intitiative as unAfrican or Whitish/colonial, while they praise other people as champions of examples.

Im 100% if Dangote was Congolese , the same Congolese who praise him would be down [laying him....A for Mr Talon who has done noting so far as president he is already being praised.


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Governor Kande Mupompa. created another provincial company called Energy du Kasai Centrale which is overseeing the micro Hydro project under construction to provide an addinal 4 MWe for Kananga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt36WWaE24c



After TransKaaC, EnerKaC see the day.


Voilas the people who have understodd the Physophy of development...Local Solutions for local problems by local leaders!

Creating these Local Public Service Companies....Calling upon the sons of Kasaie Central to come invest in their ancestor's land.....Real Intelectual.


"You are the master of your community Development", Mzee LDK.

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If I have to do the same business, I will cut the fees by using for example palm or bamboo leaves instead of plastic (wise environmental & cost effective)

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Certainly, people use the most cost effective method available and or what they can afford.

The West, Japan who are the industrial club have the best envirement because they take envirement treat very seriously. that is why they live longer than rest of the world....they know how to learn , that is why they have monopoly on development for more than 200 years.


While we in Africa strugglomg to even learn the most basic development.
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Tricycles et voitures solaires du Togo

Le soleil est une bénédiction pour l'Afrique, Vénéré depuis la nuit des temps, il est source de vie, sans le soleil (Rê ou Râ) il n 'y aurait pas de vie sur cette terre.


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Innovative and very inspiring!! Kuddos to Togolese!! who are helping the innovators progress by buying the car. Talk about Patriotism? That's Patriotism there!!
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Hello tout le monde,

Ce thread étant consacré à entrepreneuriat, je vous expose le business, oyo na lingui na banda na mboka na biso. " La vente en détail des bouteilles de gaz butane / Gaz Cylinder retailer"...

Naba mboka ebele, les gens n'utilisent pas des réchauds électriques, mais plutôt des réchauds à gaz....

Que pensez vous de ce business? Les Pour et les contre?

Thanks for you help, and participation....
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