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Old September 27th, 2019, 08:51 AM   #161
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Tanong sino ba ang tunay na nagpapapatay? 2 aquino na ang naupo bat di pa rin ma solve? o ayaw i-solve dahil pagnalamang hindi si marcos ang nagpapapatay, edi parang napahiya sila at naloko lang ang buong samabayanan. Isa sa rason bat nanalo si cory ay dahil namatay si ninoy sa paniniwalang si marcos ang pumatay
Mamamatay na rin si Ninoy dahil sa sakit neto, kaya ginawa na lang na Martyr ng mga kamag anak nya...

Plus of course, para maupo na rin sila sa Malacanang.

I'm 100% sure FM did not order the killing.

He's too smart for that. He even sent Ninoy to the US because he doesn't want Ninoy to die under his watch and be blamed for it.
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Tanong sino ba ang tunay na nagpapapatay? 2 aquino na ang naupo bat di pa rin ma solve? o ayaw i-solve dahil pagnalamang hindi si marcos ang nagpapapatay, edi parang napahiya sila at naloko lang ang buong samabayanan. Isa sa rason bat nanalo si cory ay dahil namatay si ninoy sa paniniwalang si marcos ang pumatay
Good questions! I'd bet they won't answer that!
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Old September 27th, 2019, 09:18 AM   #163
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Mamamatay na rin si Ninoy dahil sa sakit neto, kaya ginawa na lang na Martyr ng mga kamag anak nya...

Plus of course, para maupo na rin sila sa Malacanang.

I'm 100% sure FM did not order the killing.

He's too smart for that. He even sent Ninoy to the US because he doesn't want Ninoy to die under his watch and be blamed for it.
Don't speak as if you were omnipresent. Any proof to show?

Heto na naman ang mga nagpapaniwala sa mga conspiracy theories eh.
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Don't speak as if you were omnipresent. Any proof to show?



Heto na naman ang mga nagpapaniwala sa mga conspiracy theories eh.
Kayo nagaakusa kay FM diba? Kayo magbigay ng patunay
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Old September 27th, 2019, 09:54 AM   #165
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I never heard any of my family, relatives and family friends both in Cebu, Bohol, and Davao provinces who lived in those days that they were affected negatively by the martial law. In contrary, they cherished those days as they said, life was abundant and peaceful.

Anyways, martial law in the 1970's and 1980's are justified. It was not declared out of greed and malice.
Actually, those who are really affected by the martial law during those days were leftists or those who are against and trying to overthrow the government. If your family were not on those category there's no reason for them to experienced the alleged torture committed by the military.
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Old September 27th, 2019, 09:58 AM   #166
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Actually, those who are really affected by the martial law during those days were leftists or those who are against and trying to overthrow the government. If your family were not on those category there's no reason for them to experienced the alleged torture committed by the military.
Feeling kasi nila, dapat yung rules same lang. E kaya nga nag batas militar e.

You cannot keep doing what you're doing under martial law. There are certain rights that you won't enjoy na during martial law. So tama lang na damputin ka kung pasaway ka.
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Ibabalik mo ngayon sa akin, hahaha. Sinabi ko lang ang "pumatay". Kung hindi si Marcos, maaring loyalists niyang zombies. Much much more plausible than your paper-thin theories.

The Marcos loyalists, some of which already infiltrated this forum.

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Old September 27th, 2019, 02:38 PM   #168
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Ibabalik mo ngayon sa akin, hahaha. Sinabi ko lang ang "pumatay". Kung hindi si Marcos, maaring loyalists niyang zombies. Much much more plausible than your paper-thin theories.

The Marcos loyalists, some of which already infiltrated this forum.
It is worth noting that Marcos did a lot (in terms of infrastructure) but that does not absolve the atrocities that he has committed during his time as President.
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Old September 27th, 2019, 03:26 PM   #169
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well if you're one of those commies joining Sison so they can turn the country into a communist state, I don't pity whatever happened to them during those times. there were atrocities yes, but how much of it was "deserved"? the same kind of people who are sympathetic to them even until now are regurgitating the already Ad nauseam martial law/Marcos evil narrative and the victim card when they themselves did something wrong.

anyway, already expecting this thread to be cleaned up soon.
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Old September 27th, 2019, 03:39 PM   #170
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It is worth noting that Marcos did a lot (in terms of infrastructure) but that does not absolve the atrocities that he has committed during his time as President.
Which ones?

There were many atrocities during the period, but I'd like to see one which you can directly attribute to FM
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Old September 27th, 2019, 03:40 PM   #171
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Ibabalik mo ngayon sa akin, hahaha. Sinabi ko lang ang "pumatay". Kung hindi si Marcos, maaring loyalists niyang zombies. Much much more plausible than your paper-thin theories.

The Marcos loyalists, some of which already infiltrated this forum.
Paper thin? More like based on logic.

FM could have killed the guy much earlier if he wanted to.
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Old September 27th, 2019, 03:54 PM   #172
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It is worth noting that Marcos did a lot (in terms of infrastructure) but that does not absolve the atrocities that he has committed during his time as President.
The people around him were corrupt. Marcos knew about the excesses of his cronies and he did not do anything to stop them. It is a FACT, nangurakot si Marcos. Yung mga Swiss accounts, they were proven in a court of law and those identified as stolen money were frozen by Swiss authorities. The victims of Martial Law will be paid. So those are FACTS.

In the case of the yellows, they had their chance for so many decades (30 years). Marcos was in power 20 years only. Given that Cory and PNoy had 12 years only, their influence spanned 30 years. They were untouchable during the terms of FVR and GMA and even Erap. They had all the chances to pursue societal reforms. There were reforms as long as they are not against some people's economic interests. The economy did not take off.
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well if you're one of those commies joining Sison so they can turn the country into a communist state, I don't pity whatever happened to them during those times. there were atrocities yes, but how much of it was "deserved"? the same kind of people who are sympathetic to them even until now are regurgitating the already Ad nauseam martial law/Marcos evil narrative and the victim card when they themselves did something wrong.

anyway, already expecting this thread to be cleaned up soon.
It was the economy. The economy became bankrupt under Marcos because of economic mismanagement. And also stealing from the coffers. When you build infrastructure, be sure that you do it sustainably. Just like building a house using a loan but you have very limited income streams to pay for the loan. WB/ IMF pa nuon and once you cannot pay them, there will be dire consequences.

The OFW phenomenon was conceptualized by Marcos. He thought about sending Filipinos to the Middle East as he could not provide enough jobs to the locals. OCW pa tawag nuon. I know because my uncle was an OCW (Overseas Contract Worker) to Saudi. Maybe you are familiar with the line "Katas ng Saudi" painted on jeepneys in Manila in the 90s.

Sorry for OT. Just wanted to put some perspective so we do not forget the FACTS. I do not like that we romanticize the Marcoses now. I voted Imee Marcos for Senator based on her track record as governor NOT because of her father.
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Old September 27th, 2019, 04:07 PM   #174
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Is this economy or political thread!?

Hard fact: During Marcos years, IMF loan was not put into use properly. End result!? Philippines was drowned into debt causing the economy to slow from Corazon Aquino time. Pres Gloria's administration is the time when the country sees the debt to GDP ratio starts declining significantly until today. Pres Duterte administation targets to achieve a 38% ratio by the end of his term and could still possibly reduced further after the completion of Philippines GDP rebase next year.

Past is past. Cannot move on!?
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How about real and useful projects that were cancelled without reason that could have improved our economic standing by now? if they were utilized properly no unnecessary debt or fine repayments will be needed. this did not just happen back then during Cory, even other admins like the 6 lost years of her son it happened. I'm not saying Marcos did not do anything wrong, but the predecessors were guilty as well for mismanagement, some (or most should I say?) due to petty and politically motivated reasons. it's very easy to blame someone else for the problem when in reality they contributed to it and actually made it worse. Some just have a better cover and PR so their incompetence is not shown.
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The Philippine Economy

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BSP to release new P5, P20 coins in December

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1081326?fbclid=IwAR1X96v2KiRMUwoYAqJcLH1OEutcfo5LeW_AsofVNcyql6F3jHUO1MgvwK4



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The Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) is set to release in December a new PHP5 coin to clear out confusion with the PHP1 coin in circulation.

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the new PHP5 coin will have a new design, which will include a wave edge.

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at the same time, the BSP will release the new PHP20 coin that will replace the PHP20 bill.
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Dilawans in my FB wall right now be like “20 peso coins mean the economy is going down”. Excuse me, we have a 10 peso coin now but economy right now is much better than in the 90s when we used 10 peso paper bills. Not necessarily indicative of a falling economy
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How about real and useful projects that were cancelled without reason that could have improved our economic standing by now? if they were utilized properly no unnecessary debt or fine repayments will be needed. this did not just happen back then during Cory, even other admins like the 6 lost years of her son it happened. I'm not saying Marcos did not do anything wrong, but the predecessors were guilty as well for mismanagement, some (or most should I say?) due to petty and politically motivated reasons. it's very easy to blame someone else for the problem when in reality they contributed to it and actually made it worse. Some just have a better cover and PR so their incompetence is not shown.
You are right. Just do not romanticize the Marcos administration because he and his cronies were also corrupt JUST LIKE THE YELLOWS. Duterte is very different from Marcos. It is the yellows who are pushing the narrative that Duterte is like Marcos.
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Dilawans in my FB wall right now be like “20 peso coins mean the economy is going down”. Excuse me, we have a 10 peso coin now but economy right now is much better than in the 90s when we used 10 peso paper bills. Not necessarily indicative of a falling economy
Yep, it's not indicative of a falling economy. The purchasing power of the peso declines gradually due to inflation. Every currency in the world, except perhaps, bitcoin, experiences this type of depreciation. The other type, depreciation due to exchange rates is its own universe.
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You are right. Just do not romanticize the Marcos administration because he and his cronies were also corrupt JUST LIKE THE YELLOWS. Duterte is very different from Marcos. It is the yellows who are pushing the narrative that Duterte is like Marcos.
Duterte is not perfect, though he's much much better than Marcos or Cory. PRRD has his own crony capitalist, the Mislatel guy.
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