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Old October 24th, 2018, 03:55 AM   #281
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Yeah sure. Magic economics.

It also looks as if that Hyperloop corridor would dump you somewhere on the peripery of St. Louis, so you can easily add more time to get there than the supposed total travel time of the loop.

Give me a proper HSR which connects downtown to downtown in 2 h without any transfers required and with actual mass transportation capabilities any day.
So, from that map, you can tell where it would 'dump' you lol Biased much?

You would rather a 'proper' HSR that takes...2 hours! And costs...what...what would a full fledged HSR cost for that route? I am guessing it would be significant.
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Old October 24th, 2018, 09:11 PM   #282
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Yes, one can clearly see from above map that the terminus in St. Louis is shown nowhere near its downtown. Aren't you able of seeing the obvious? (That is assuming of course that map above isn't complete BS to begin with)

It looks like St. Charles but probably it is supposed to be nearby St. Louis Lambert International Airport. Let's suppose they connect that Hyperloop to the metro station at the airport. From there it is a fine 51 min ride to downtown St. Louis, including transfer we are talking here about at least 1 h additional travel time. Totalling your travel time for downtown to downtown with the Hyperloop of 1h 30 min, the speed top notch HSR could achieve or merely half an hour faster of what a moderate HSR can easily achieve as well. A 2h HSR connection between Downtown St. Louis and Kansas City would need to operate at roughly 200 km/h average speed. That is a moderate average HSR speed.

If that is not feasible one could go for a much more cost effective rail express service, at the lower range of HSR. The Railjet connection Vienna-Linz in Austria operates at an average speed of 150 km/h (max speed 230 km/h) with a similar number of stops. It connects a city of 1.8 Mio inhabitants with a city of less than 250k inhabitants and works out fine. An equivalent rail service between St. Louis and Kansas City would take less than 3 h, downtown to downtown, about an hour faster than by car.

Regarding the costs, they would be substantial of course, but the system is a mature and high capacity one with a broad range of producers, that means it is capable of moving a lot of people, on par with a complete highway. The Hyperloop on the other side is a luxury offer, for low capacity. The cost estimates mentioned so far are completely unrealistic and it will be interesting to see how they want to cover them, given the much lower possible ridership numbers than rail.
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Old November 7th, 2018, 12:01 AM   #283
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Old November 7th, 2018, 04:22 PM   #284
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I wonder if some day, some of the pipelines of gas-transport (a few of them are really wide enough) could be recycled to make hyperloops. They are hermetic ducts, after all.

And of course using somethimg already constructed, lower the costs in high percents.
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Old November 10th, 2018, 04:41 PM   #286
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So why is he calling a car factory which appears even in its not remotely reached final dimension smaller than eg the VW factor in Bratislava a "gigafactory"? Just the usual hyperbole?
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