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Old February 3rd, 2018, 03:17 PM   #21
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To make this more economically viable:

- they need to fully maximize the port potential of Subic, which is waaay underutilized right now.
- have a policy of using the riles lines for freight/cargo from Subic to Manila / beyond [in tandem with the planned rehabilitation of the PNR at-grade].

To do this, you need to confront head-on the Manila Port Cartel and this will have a massive effect on MVP's ongoing road/expressway projects going to the Manila Pier [goodluck].

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wet dream: Hop onboard a commuter train in LB, disembark at Tutuban Grand Central Terminal Station, transfer to Northrail commuter up to Clark, disembark for the final leg of the rail journey to Subic...*sana buhay pa if this materializes*
If this goes through as planned and within timelines, the development of Subic as a major port will happen, plus the development of Subic and Clark as new ecozones (which of course was envisioned 20 years ago when the USAF upped and left). There will be major obstructionists of course. And if I'm not mistaken, they can connect that rail line to Batangas port. Again thre will be obstructionists.
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Old February 4th, 2018, 05:15 AM   #22
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Siya nga pala, is this a single track or dual track?

And ano ang gagamitin? DMU, EMU o Both?
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Old February 5th, 2018, 02:43 AM   #23
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Siya nga pala, is this a single track or dual track?

And ano ang gagamitin? DMU, EMU o Both?
sa ngayon ata single track with passing loops tapos DMU. ang nagpamahal siguro sa cost yung tunnel pababa ng Subic

pakiramdam ko yun magiging longest tunnel sa Pilipinas
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Old February 5th, 2018, 04:14 AM   #24
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This proposed freight rail corridor should not be only connecting Subic-Clark-Manila- and Batangas.

It should also be extended later on to the southernmost part of Bicol region in Sorsogon..para doon na ikarga mga freight going to and from Mindanao and Visayas via RoRo vessels. Mas mabilis kasi and less cost pa..

And a more ambitious one is going to connect Cagayan in the north as well.
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Old February 5th, 2018, 04:53 AM   #25
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I don't know all the details of the Subic Clark Railway but if it really a stand alone line with absolutely no connection with the rest of the rail network, medyo malabo nga yun. Stand alone lines are stupid and I dunno why anyone would do that...at the very least there should be provisions to connect with other lines. Ganun ba talaga ka heavy ang cargo traffic between Subic and Clark or is this just another biased proposal by Tugade since he has a heart with the Clark area?
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Old February 5th, 2018, 06:27 AM   #26
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I don't know all the details of the Subic Clark Railway but if it really a stand alone line with absolutely no connection with the rest of the rail network, medyo malabo nga yun. Stand alone lines are stupid and I dunno why anyone would do that...at the very least there should be provisions to connect with other lines. Ganun ba talaga ka heavy ang cargo traffic between Subic and Clark or is this just another biased proposal by Tugade since he has a heart with the Clark area?
Kung heavy talaga yung cargo traffic dyan ay makikita sa SCTEX kaso yung SCTEX di naman ganun kadami ang dumadaan. Dun sa Jose Abad Santos Avenue, di rin ganun kadami. Mas ramdam ang traffic dun dahil sa palaging ginagawa yung kalsada or sa mga major crossings.

Baka naman diretso sa bahay ni Tugade sa Clark yung dulo ng proposeed railway na yan.
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Old February 5th, 2018, 07:02 AM   #27
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Old February 5th, 2018, 01:36 PM   #28
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Subic will receive international sea cargoes while Clark will have international air freights bypassing the Port of Manila & NAIA to decongest the Megalopolis -Metropolis... will the plan of redevelopment of both seaport & Tondo (like Piers of San Francisco, California or like Canary Wharf, London) and airport & SoMa (South of Manila) transforming into the next CBD. Connecting it to port of Batangas (facilitate shipments of raw materials & finish products from Light Industries of Laguna & Batangas) and port of Lucena (fresh produce from the sea, fruits & veggies from the mountains, handicrafts from small scale artists of Quezon)... connections to Bicol Region & Catanduanes eventually...
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But you still have SCTEX to move the cargo to the nearest rail point in clark. This amount of money could approximately be used to extend the PNR-North to somewhere near Vigan City, to areas without proper mass transit and/or better freight option.
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Old February 6th, 2018, 02:33 AM   #30
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Bayaan ninyo na lang gawin yan. As long as the government won't shoulder much of the cost to build it.

Gusto nilang gawin ibig sabihin may nakita sila na hindi ninyo nakita. Ganoon lang ka simple yata yan!
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Old February 6th, 2018, 02:53 AM   #31
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Bayaan ninyo na lang gawin yan. As long as the government won't shoulder much of the cost to build it.

Gusto nilang gawin ibig sabihin may nakita sila na hindi ninyo nakita. Ganoon lang ka simple yata yan!
We will be shouldering the cost of this project. This will most likely be an ODA assisted project which the government will have to repay over time. Some forumers are concerned with the rate of return of this project and we might end up with a white elephant. If that were the case, we'd be better off spending the money in extending the PNR line from Clark to La Union that sort of thing.
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Old February 6th, 2018, 03:15 AM   #32
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I dont see how this is viable.
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I dont see how this is viable.
It can be viable if the alignment is parallel with J.A. Santos Ave via San Fernando, Pampanga. Kung sa SCTEX eh ipanalangin nalang natin na madevelop ang Subic-Clark area.
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If purely cargo, no passenger service and no connection to Manila-Clark Railway, plus constructing it while Alviera Pampanga and New Clark City are in their initial stages of development, I can say it is not yet viable.

If both Clark New City and Alviera Pampanga are at least 50-60% developed, plus the industrial output of Subic is almost at the level of CALABARZON plus the seaport there is fully utilized, that's the time this railway project is very viable.

All I can say for now, this is one project that serves Tugade's whim in order to favor his Clark bias. Manila-Clark railway should be the one to be prioritized for now, not this railway project.
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If purely cargo, no passenger service and no connection to Manila-Clark Railway, plus constructing it while Alviera Pampanga and New Clark City are in their initial stages of development, I can say it is not yet viable.

If both Clark New City and Alviera Pampanga are at least 50-60% developed, plus the industrial output of Subic is almost at the level of CALABARZON plus the seaport there is fully utilized, that's the time this railway project is very viable.

All I can say for now, this is one project that serves Tugade's whim in order to favor his Clark bias. Manila-Clark railway should be the one to be prioritized for now, not this railway project.
Do you think MANILA-CLARK rail is not a priority ? hmmm
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If purely cargo, no passenger service and no connection to Manila-Clark Railway, plus constructing it while Alviera Pampanga and New Clark City are in their initial stages of development, I can say it is not yet viable.

If both Clark New City and Alviera Pampanga are at least 50-60% developed, plus the industrial output of Subic is almost at the level of CALABARZON plus the seaport there is fully utilized, that's the time this railway project is very viable.

All I can say for now, this is one project that serves Tugade's whim in order to favor his Clark bias. Manila-Clark railway should be the one to be prioritized for now, not this railway project.
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Do you think MANILA-CLARK rail is not a priority ? hmmm
http://business.inquirer.net/241910/...art-january-18
You misunderstood my post. Iím saying Manila-Clark railway should be the one that should be given the most attention, the one railway to the North that has to be constructed and funded. Donít entertain Clark-Subic rail for the meantime as itís not yet that viable as we speak.
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You misunderstood my post. Iím saying Manila-Clark railway should be the one that should be given the most attention, the one railway to the North that has to be constructed and funded. Donít entertain Clark-Subic rail for the meantime as itís not yet that viable as we speak.
When was the old PNR not bleeding red ink ? I far as I can remember old PNR was never profitable at all and requires government subsidy. If viability is the only factor to consider in building facilities no infrastructure will be built.
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The PNR was not properly developed and left in a dilapidated state post WWII as some foreign superpower would like us to be dependent on petroleum, crude oil or gasoline... you need millions of cars to consume all those gasoline and you need endless kilometres of motorways & high ways (it started with dual carriage ways, now it has gone up to 5 to 6 lanes one way)... then people die of air pollution making one dependent on costly drugs or medications from multinational pharmaceutical companies... somebody somewhere somehow live in a golden palace filled with riches and served on all four by countless of servants and closely guarded by security officers... we have to find ways of harnessing natural resources to create our own electricity to power our mass transport... less reliance to gasoline, less car, less pollution and healthier people... built those trains ASAP...
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Old February 7th, 2018, 09:43 PM   #40
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In the US, a lot of communities sprouted where rail came first. It's on an episode of America: The Story of Us.
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