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Old August 16th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #61
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Are there any news regarding this hotel development?
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Thanks for the links! It's a shame they're inaccessible as it's rare to have remaining medieval areas in a city centre. They should be cleaned up, promoted for their historical value and opened up in the day time.
The Design & Access Statement for the 'Grey Street Hotel' indicate that Ship Entry may be opened up for public use as:

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Access to Ship Entry is currently restricted to the building owners and the owners of the White Hart Yard buildings. The proposals not only look to enhance the alley by clearing and repaving but also open up views of the alley from the new hotel. Finally we propose that the alley is open to the public during daylight hours allowing physical interpretation of this former burgage plot access way.
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That's great news. When's the Grey Street hotel happening?
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That's great news. When's the Grey Street hotel happening?
I think you can take the lack of postings on this thread that there is nothing of note happening - plenty of eagle eyes on the forum will soon spot any work commencing, so a case of watch this space.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #65
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Newcastle's iconic Balmbra's Music Hall is being refurbished ahead of possible reopening

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Still working in there today. There's a generator on outside the door and lots of equipment inside/ Also, one of the window boards is off of Java Jim's next door, revealing a very untidy state and what looks like a collapsed floor inside.
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Newcastle's iconic Balmbra's Music Hall is being refurbished ahead of possible reopening
18:30, 6 March 2015 By Keiran Southern



Work to refurbish the iconic Balmbra’s Music Hall has started.

Workers are currently in the historic building removing asbestos, ahead of a possible re-opening.

Balmbra’s, in the Cloth Market in Newcastle, was immortalised by Geordie Ridley, who first performed his fictitious account of a journey to the Gateshead town in 1862. In recent years, the music hall’s future has been uncertain.

A spokesman for owners Malhotra Group said: “We have not decided what to do with it yet. It’s being stripped out by builders and then it will be refurbished. There’s no time frame for any work.” The wealthy Malhotra family submitted plans in 2011 for a 55-room luxury hotel, which was to have entrances on Grey Street, the Cloth Market and Mosley Street.

It was feared this would mean the end of Balmbra’s, but developers moved quickly to reassure Geordies that the bar would be retained in some form. At the time, chief executive of DAV Developments Devinder “Bunty” Malhotra said: “People should not worry, Balmbra’s is part of the bigger development and all its historic features will remain intact. Although I’m not sure of the exact plans, I can assure you Balmbra’s will still be there. We are well aware of how important it is to the people of the North East.”

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Old April 27th, 2016, 05:36 PM   #66
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Balmbras in Newcastle's Cloth Market set to re-open following £1.4m makeover

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Balmbras in Newcastle's Cloth Market set to re-open following £1.4m makeover
27 Apr 2016 By Coreena Ford


At the foot of the Cloth Market are the premises which will be associated with Tyneside anthem, the Blaydon Races

A historic bar in Newcastle’s Cloth Market is to be regenerated in a £1.4m makeover by a leading leisure firm.

Balmbras has been closed to the public for a few years but its rich heritage dates back to the 19th Century when it was one of the city’s early music halls, and it was immortalised in Tyneside folklore in Geordie Ridley’s famous Blaydon Races song . It was at Balmbras – opened in the 1860s by John Balmbra – that the song Blaydon Races was first performed by George “Geordie” Ridley in 1862, referring to the music hall by name as the starting point of the trip - “I took the bus from Balmbra’s and she was heavy-laden...”

Balmbras was originally going to be part of the proposed hotel plan – but the group says it has now altered its plans, meaning the pub will be redeveloped and reopened as a bar on its own, maintaining the name that has proved so popular down the years. Work will start later this year and is scheduled for completion next year, in time for a summer opening when a raft of new jobs will be created.

A spokesman for the Malhotra Group plc said: “We take great pride in returning grand old buildings back to their former glory thus protecting the heritage of this beautiful city. The scheme will also bring with it much needed jobs for the area. We intend to re-develop and re-open the site as a bar, with music, retaining its existing name and maximising on the history and glory of its past eras, going back many years.”

Since 2011 the Newcastle-based Malhotra Group – which owns and runs divisions specialising in care, leisure and commercial property investment and development – has spent several million pounds buying properties on Grey Street, the Cloth Market and Mosley Street. At the time the family firm, which now owns numbers 3, 5, 7, 9 and 11 Grey Street and Attic Bar on Mosley Street, said it was planning to create a “world-class hotel” which would “be on a par with hotels like the Dorchester”. Original plans submitted to planners in 2011 were for a 55-bed luxury hotel which was to have entrances on Grey Street, the Cloth Market and Mosley Street, but those plans are now being changed. The proposed hotel will now sit at the Grey Street end of the properties the firm owns, and revised plans are being drawn up ready to be resubmitted to city planners at the end of this year.

Read more @ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busin...t-set-11251239

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Old September 4th, 2017, 07:40 PM   #67
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£35m hotel with rooftop pool and nightclub planned for Newcastle's Grey Street

Good to see something in the news, been quite a while.

Courtesy of today's Chronicle Live, copyright NCJMedia Ltd @ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busin...tclub-13570328
£35m hotel with rooftop pool and nightclub planned for Newcastle's Grey Street
By Coreena Ford 4 August 2017


Grey Street, Newcastle

A £35m plan to create a luxury hotel complex complete with a rooftop swimming pool, nightclub, restaurants and retail outlets has been unveiled for Newcastle city centre.

Leisure operator Malhotra Group is behind the multimillion-pound scheme which will transform a number of buildings in the Grainger Town area, reinvigorating a huge property plot around a focal 120-bedroom hotel. The Newcastle company, which also operates care and property divisions, has spent a number of years acquiring a number of buildings around Grey Street, with a view to creating a landmark hotel for the city centre.

Plans were first mooted by the group seven years ago, when a spend of up to £15m was set to be ploughed into creating a 55-bed hotel on Grey Street. That scheme has now revised and goes far beyond original ambitions, encompassing nine existing buildings, seven of which are Grade II listed.

The site of the development, which is being overseen by designers Space Architects, will stretch from Grey Street down to its junction with Mosley Street and across to the lower part of Cloth Market. The scheme includes the famous Balmbras music hall at the Cloth Market, with the aim of restoring it to its original identity, along with a plan for Drury Lane – the site of the original Theatre Royal – which will be home to a number of retail outlets within a glass covered cobbled street.

If approved, the leisure complex will be open by the end of 2020, with a design that would be sympathetic and in keeping with Grey Street’s historic facade.

Read more @ http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busin...tclub-13570328
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Sintons support Malhotra Group’s £35 million expansion plans

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Sintons support Malhotra Group’s £35 million expansion plans
13/09/2017



A £35m plan to create a luxury hotel complex with a rooftop swimming pool, nightclub, restaurants and retail outlets in central Newcastle has been revealed.

The Malhotra Group has unveiled a multimillion-pound scheme which will transform a number of buildings in the Grainger Town area, reinvigorating a huge property plot with a 120-bedroom hotel at the heart. The Newcastle-based leisure group, which also operates care and property divisions, has acquired a number of buildings around Grey Street over the past few years, with a view to creating a landmark hotel for the city centre.

The new scheme – which encompasses nine existing building, seven of which are Grade II listed – goes far beyond the Malhotra Group’s initial ambitions, outlined seven years ago, where up to £15m was to be invested in creating a 55-bed hotel on Grey Street. The development will also help strengthen the company’s foothold on Grey Street, where it already operates the boutique Grey Street Hotel, which recently underwent a £1.2m refurbishment.

The site of the development – which is being overseen by designers Space Architects, and supported legally by law firm Sintons – will stretch from Grey Street down to its junction with Mosley Street and across to the lower part of Cloth Market. It includes the famous Balmbras music hall at the Cloth Market, with the aim of restoring it to its original identity, along with a plan for Drury Lane – the site of the original Theatre Royal – which will be home to a number of retail outlets within a glass covered cobbled street. Full plans for the scheme will be presented to Newcastle City Council by the end of the year, with a view to starting the refurbishment in spring 2018, subject to planning permission being granted. Providing permission is given, the development would be open by the end of 2020.

Meenu Malhotra, group chairman of the Malhotra Group, said: “This is a huge and impressive development that should bring more visitors in the city centre. As owners of the Grey Street Hotel, we are well aware of the importance of ensuring that any development in this area celebrates its history and we believe this new hotel will be a huge asset, not just to Grey Street, but to the city as a whole. It’s a very ambitious scheme, and we will work very closely the city planners and conservations department in respecting all aspects of the historic architecture to ensure these landmark buildings are brought back to their former glory.”

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Hi does anyone know what's happening with Drury Lane, Balmbras and White Hart Yard?

I thought the area was to be re developed and a throughfare created? Nothing seems to be happening there in the past couple of years?
A case of 'watch this space' I'm afraid - I've not seen anything happening. building wise, but have seen men with clipboards in the recent past. By the way there is a dedicated thread @ https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1345823
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Mixed Use Development, including Demolition of 4 Cloth Market and 29 Mosley Street and erection of new 4 and 5 storey buildings, new retail/restaurant/bar/hotel and change of use of upper floors to a hotel etc - Planning Application

On NCC Planning Portal on 18/11/19 (in list week beginning 10/11/19)

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2019/1478/01/DET

Demolition of 4 Cloth Market and 29 Mosley Street and erection of new 4 and 5 storey buildings, new retail/restaurant/bar/hotel (Class A1/A3/A4/C1) uses to ground floor and change of use of upper floors to a hotel (Class C1), demolition of rear off shoots to 5-9 Grey Street and erection of new hotel atrium space, alterations to Balmbra's bar and conversion of Balmbra's Hall to hotel function room, erection of new 2/3 storey extension above existing properties to Drury Lane and Balmbra's Hall to provide hotel bedrooms and bar with terrace (Class C1) to upper floors, creation of new bar/nightclub and terrace and remodelling/extension of existing bar/nightclub (Class A4) to 25-29 Mosley Street and creation of health club with external swimming pool and roof terrace (Class D2) to 29 Mosley Street, and change of use of public highway to pavement cafe.

3-17 Grey Street And 25-33 Mosley Street And 4-8 Cloth Market And 8-10 Drury Lane Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 6EE

Application Received - Fri 04 Oct 2019

Application Validated - Fri 15 Nov 2019

Status - Registered

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Developers reveal £30m Newcastle hotel plans with rooftop swimming pool, bars and clubs



Chronicle Live website article from 18/11/19

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Developers reveal £30m Newcastle hotel plans with rooftop swimming pool, bars and clubs

The enormous city centre project could create more than 500 jobs and attract international operators

The Malhotra Group first unveiled plans to open a hotel coined The Dorchester of the North around 10 years ago, and received planning permission several years ago.

That permission has since expired, but the Newcastle care, leisure and property group has in recent years carried out a spending spree in the city centre, buying up numerous properties which allow it to submit a revised application for a significantly larger hotel and leisure complex that takes up an entire section of Mosely Street, Cloth Market and Grey Street.

Demolition teams would also knock down 29 Mosely Street – built in the 1950s – and 4 Cloth Market – constructed in the 1930s – which would then be rebuilt. The luxury hotel will take up the upper floors of 3 -17 Grey Street, Drury Lane, 4 - 8 Cloth Market and 31 Mosley Street.


Full article on https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...oftop-17275442

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Seems a reasonable scheme.

Replaces underwhelming infill buildings with modest smart contemporary design.

Opens up Drury Lane and re-uses a historic quirky lane, tidying it up from a bin store/ up against a wall with a sailor/urine soaked back street.

Salvages at risk listed heritage structures.

Provides a bit of cool top floor swimming pool/ jacuzzi bling/ filming location for Geordie Shore.

Wander how NCC are going to refuse this appropriate and decent proposition for a former unloved corner of town.
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Most of the comments on the Chron are along the lines of 'I'll believe it when I see it'. I think I'm going to have to fall into that camp too. Would love to see it developed though.

In positive news @newcastlepubs may not have to worry about the status of the newsagent/takeaway/cash machine at 29 Mosley Street anymore

EDIT - I wonder if the White Hart Yard scheme is shelved now?
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EDIT - I wonder if the White Hart Yard scheme is shelved now?

I haven't heard anything about the 'White Hart Yard' proposals for a while.

It has its own thread . . . https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=2029539
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Most of the comments on the Chron are along the lines of 'I'll believe it when I see it'. I think I'm going to have to fall into that camp too. Would love to see it developed though.

In positive news @newcastlepubs may not have to worry about the status of the newsagent/takeaway/cash machine at 29 Mosley Street anymore

EDIT - I wonder if the White Hart Yard scheme is shelved now?
I ve the information commissioner chasing them, not for the cash machine but because the property has been carrying out licenceable activity for a coiple of years. test purchases carried out, file prepared, prosecution buried, refusal to indicate why....

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Seems a reasonable scheme.

Replaces underwhelming infill buildings with modest smart contemporary design.

Opens up Drury Lane and re-uses a historic quirky lane, tidying it up from a bin store/ up against a wall with a sailor/urine soaked back street.

Salvages at risk listed heritage structures.

Provides a bit of cool top floor swimming pool/ jacuzzi bling/ filming location for Geordie Shore.

Wander how NCC are going to refuse this appropriate and decent proposition for a former unloved corner of town.
Newcastle refuse.... noooo.

I'm not skeptical that this will be built, however I am deeply skeptical of the positioning. A very upmarket property bordered by the Bigg Market and a street described as 'apocalyptic' is a interesting sell. Back [see postings passim] to needing to change the profile of the area through licencing before it becomes upmarket.

More likely that it will be built but it will be a premier inn plus standard with boozers and nightclubs to cater for the usual.
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Yeah, with it pretty much being the corner where the Bigg market and Diamond strip meet, there is not much of a chance of a high class or upper middle class hotel operator will take it on, especially as some of those nightclubs will still be open on the ground level.
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Yeah, with it pretty much being the corner where the Bigg market and Diamond strip meet, there is not much of a chance of a high class or upper middle class hotel operator will take it on, especially as some of those nightclubs will still be open on the ground level.


Think we’re all being a bit pessimist here. The hotel will front onto Grey Street, Newcastle’s best street- I also though Malhotra would run the hotel themselves rather than get a chain in- they already run the Grey Street hotel over the road. Even if it is a chain, the Maldron opened recently next to the Gate and Motel One on High Bridge Street closer to the the Bigg Market than a hotel on Grey Street would be. Yes, Balmbara’s will still be there in the development and Flares a tenant on Bigg Market but opposite there we now have Revolucion de Cuba and it’s not as apocalyptic as it used to be.

The Malhotra’s have certainly wasted a lot of money putting this application in if they don’t plan to go ahead with it.
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Think we’re all being a bit pessimist here. The hotel will front onto Grey Street, Newcastle’s best street- I also though Malhotra would run the hotel themselves rather than get a chain in- they already run the Grey Street hotel over the road. Even if it is a chain, the Maldron opened recently next to the Gate and Motel One on High Bridge Street closer to the the Bigg Market than a hotel on Grey Street would be. Yes, Balmbara’s will still be there in the development and Flares a tenant on Bigg Market but opposite there we now have Revolucion de Cuba and it’s not as apocalyptic as it used to be.

The Malhotra’s have certainly wasted a lot of money putting this application in if they don’t plan to go ahead with it.
According to the application Balmbara's is to be part of the hotel, used as a function room rather than a separate drinking establishment.

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I ve the information commissioner chasing them, not for the cash machine but because the property has been carrying out licenceable activity for a coiple of years. test purchases carried out, file prepared, prosecution buried, refusal to indicate why....



Newcastle refuse.... noooo.

I'm not skeptical that this will be built, however I am deeply skeptical of the positioning. A very upmarket property bordered by the Bigg Market and a street described as 'apocalyptic' is a interesting sell. Back [see postings passim] to needing to change the profile of the area through licencing before it becomes upmarket.

More likely that it will be built but it will be a premier inn plus standard with boozers and nightclubs to cater for the usual.
Newcastle tend to refuse or poo poo ambition (Anything except Hadrian's Tower in the past 25 years that is more than 18 floors) but let dross through (Studentopolis, St. James Car Park).

I think it's more the case of delusions of grandeur. What we might see as a puke ridden, al fresco fornicating, tangy fragranced and septumless moron hellholes, others think are actually classy and upmarket because it's got cocktails in posh glasses VIP areas, some grand architecture on the outside and overdesigned interior design on the inside.

Think of it as a symptom of society. The class war wasn't eradicated because everyone lives in a true equality, the playing field was levelled thanks to credit cards, pay day loans and HP allowing folk on call centre salaries to buy a Mercedes Benz and designer clothing. It's not about substance, it's about perception.

I'd imagine the proprietors of these 'classy joints' are operating under the assumption that the best and finest would be quite happy to frequent a rooftop jacuzzi and sip wholesale Cava.

However, now when planning has been approved and it's time to visit the bank, i'm sure some pinstriped blue blood old money chap that commutes from the Chilterns will set them straight, leading to a pressing need to flip the site to a premier inn/stag shack supplier.

Or they might get away with it. There's plenty of money available on tick for a place to rest their weary, limo hired heads for orange Callums wishing to impress dense eyebrowed, trowelled make-uped body positive Bexi's for a night's stay above their favourite boudoir of fakery.
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Think we’re all being a bit pessimist here. The hotel will front onto Grey Street, Newcastle’s best street- I also though Malhotra would run the hotel themselves rather than get a chain in- they already run the Grey Street hotel over the road. Even if it is a chain, the Maldron opened recently next to the Gate and Motel One on High Bridge Street closer to the the Bigg Market than a hotel on Grey Street would be. Yes, Balmbara’s will still be there in the development and Flares a tenant on Bigg Market but opposite there we now have Revolucion de Cuba and it’s not as apocalyptic as it used to be.

The Malhotra’s have certainly wasted a lot of money putting this application in if they don’t plan to go ahead with it.
Oh I am sure it will happen, it's more whether this does what it will say on the tin. I recall this being listed as the Dorchester of the North, now I ve stayed in the Dorchester and that market simply doesn't exist here.

Sure if they have any sense, any sense at all there won't be an entrance close to Flares, it will be in Grey St not least because as there won't be parking there will need to be a drop off point and Moseley st is wholly unsuited to that.

But even if the entrance is on Grey st unless they have industrial class soundproofing because until 3am you'll have the sounds of Wayne and Waynetta exchanging bodily fluids with an accompaniment from the Retch and Glass Bank Orchestra. When that's calmed down you'll have traffic on Moseley to wake you up. Equally if they do have China White downstairs that's not going to be playing chamber music. Defer at this point to acoustic experts but I suspect it's a pain to keep that base track from thumping thru the building.

It's got the hallmarks of the usual Newcastle let's get this through by pretending it's not going to be a Geordie Shore themed hotel once we have a yes let's get sponsorship from Stella Artois for the upmarket bits...

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Newcastle tend to refuse or poo poo ambition (Anything except Hadrian's Tower in the past 25 years that is more than 18 floors) but let dross through (Studentopolis, St. James Car Park).

I think it's more the case of delusions of grandeur. What we might see as a puke ridden, al fresco fornicating, tangy fragranced and septumless moron hellholes, others think are actually classy and upmarket because it's got cocktails in posh glasses VIP areas, some grand architecture on the outside and overdesigned interior design on the inside.

Think of it as a symptom of society. The class war wasn't eradicated because everyone lives in a true equality, the playing field was levelled thanks to credit cards, pay day loans and HP allowing folk on call centre salaries to buy a Mercedes Benz and designer clothing. It's not about substance, it's about perception.

I'd imagine the proprietors of these 'classy joints' are operating under the assumption that the best and finest would be quite happy to frequent a rooftop jacuzzi and sip wholesale Cava.

However, now when planning has been approved and it's time to visit the bank, i'm sure some pinstriped blue blood old money chap that commutes from the Chilterns will set them straight, leading to a pressing need to flip the site to a premier inn/stag shack supplier.

Or they might get away with it. There's plenty of money available on tick for a place to rest their weary, limo hired heads for orange Callums wishing to impress dense eyebrowed, trowelled make-uped body positive Bexi's for a night's stay above their favourite boudoir of fakery.
The thing with Newcastle is that if you have the cocktail of:
  • prominent local business, plus
  • night time economy

it will sail through planning, licencing and will be reported in the Chronic with less criticism that the Pyongyang Times makes of the leader's haircut.

It might end up as what sounds like the awful sounding 'hotel' being proposed for Collingwood st... as you say

What we might see as a puke ridden, al fresco fornicating, tangy fragranced and septumless moron hellholes, others think are actually classy and upmarket because it's got cocktails in posh glasses VIP areas, some grand architecture on the outside and overdesigned interior design on the inside

[you could have added looks like a Louis XVI brothel with lots of sparkles and gold ].. it might well be that, but as to parking anything genuinely up market on that site... I'm the next Orthodox patriarch...
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