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Old November 3rd, 2014, 03:51 PM   #61
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Can't believe this is causing so much drama. NIMBYism at its worst

New design for historic Cape Town precinct
MONDAY NOV 03, 2014

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Eight years, much revision and millions of rand later, the owners of a central city building incorporating elements of an 18th century warehouse neighbouring Strand Street's Lutheran church are hoping to get approval for a scaled-down development they believe will enhance and revitalise the historic precinct.

This artist's impression shows the key elements of the revised proposal.



The original proposal.

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Old November 11th, 2014, 08:32 AM   #62
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Whats so different about the new proposal and what was wrong with the first one to begin with. The way to preserve buildings is to use them and with that comes change - that doesn't mean you demolish the old - I thought the original proposal struck a good balance!

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These backward-looking people are really starting to pee me off:

Melcks want city block kept unchanged

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Julian Melck, an eighth generation family member of the complex’s founder, Martin Melck, said his family wanted the city’s appeals committee to reject a developer’s plan to build an office block and parking lot on the warehouse.
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Old December 4th, 2014, 09:26 AM   #64
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I'd love to hear their thoughts on the building in its current state Is that a celebration of its history?
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Old December 4th, 2014, 10:39 AM   #65
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These backward-looking people are really starting to pee me off:

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Then his family should cough up and buy the property at a market related price... if they have their say they will seriously impair the value of the property.

I would dearly like the owners of my grandparents farm not to change anything about the homestead but guess what, we don't own it any more and the current owners have the right to do as they please and it would be highly unreasonable for me to expect anything else...

Quite frankly they can f#@k off and retreat to their miserable lives and sip on their sherry whilst they reminisce about the good old days (like 200 years ago) when their name actually meant something based on merit and not on what great great great great grandpa did way back when....

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I'd love to know what "other forms of recourse" they feel they're entitled to, if they don't get their way?
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I'd love to know what "other forms of recourse" they feel they're entitled to, if they don't get their way?
Probably high court but they risk serious costs (not only legal but developers holding costs and damages resulting from the delay should they not win)
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Probably high court but they risk serious costs (not only legal but developers holding costs and damages resulting from the delay should they not win)
Or chain themselves to the building.
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Probably high court but they risk serious costs (not only legal but developers holding costs and damages resulting from the delay should they not win)
On what basis, though? Why do they feel they're legally entitled to more of a say than the average Joe on the street?
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On what basis, though? Why do they feel they're legally entitled to more of a say than the average Joe on the street?
Because?
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It's quite telling when one is sitting with a bunch of backpatting talentless architects, hellbent on destroying the old city or what is left of it. A process that started in the 1860's up until the present day. The Dutch city of Kaapstad was known as the Paris of the new world, beautiful beyond words with an architectural vernacular all of it's own. Unfortunately the old city is gone, peddled by greedy capitalists and untalented architects for probably the most mundane and boring of modern architecture examples in the international style. I giggle how a buildings heritage is weighed when the ill considered addition is such a cluster f*ck. If you are going to mess up a 300 year old building at least have the balls to say something...what is proposed looks like an Amanzimtoti apartment block...and these monkeys have the audacity to validate their opinions by calling heritage conservative? What idiots...how do you build a nation with some leftie anglophone whities who's main question is whether Tuscan is the new Balinese.
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The current building is shit, in a shit condition. Get over it.
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The proposal is even shittier ....as is the plan to develop a true heritage building. Can't you go play in Culemborg or something? Lord knows we need a Gaudi or Calatrava or Wright in this town to save us from the equivalent of surely what one can only describe as the chartered accountants of world architecture. The Cape Squares.
Go and build another glass, stone, concrete box...it'll be positively profoundly banal as always.
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another wanna be architect critic barely out of school with a massive chip on his shoulder who's read one book on design and thinks they are the next Foster. Dude don't come here and try to be clever, add value don't be a doos like you are currently
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The proposal is even shittier ....as is the plan to develop a true heritage building. Can't you go play in Culemborg or something? Lord knows we need a Gaudi or Calatrava or Wright in this town to save us from the equivalent of surely what one can only describe as the chartered accountants of world architecture. The Cape Squares.
Go and build another glass, stone, concrete box...it'll be positively profoundly banal as always.
Don't hate on Chartered Accountants. They are going to control the rest of your life.
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How this mess looks this morning..... and a pic of a similar (before you jump down my throat....NOT exactly the same situation, but similar visual impact) corner one block down. And, tho I'm not particularly fond of the proposed design, (a sloped translucent glass structure would be less intrusive than the heavy proposal), this will have vastly less impact on the existing warehouse than the one cor Strand and Loop.



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Nothing speaks heritage like "quickprints" branding plastered all over a building
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How this mess looks this morning..... and a pic of a similar (before you jump down my throat....NOT exactly the same situation, but similar visual impact) corner one block down. And, tho I'm not particularly fond of the proposed design, (a sloped translucent glass structure would be less intrusive than the heavy proposal), this will have vastly less impact on the existing warehouse than the one cor Strand and Loop.



A picture is worth as thousand words... In an ideal world the original building would be restored but it would be naive to believe this will happen, with the funds required to do so generating no return it wont happen unless an altruistic donor is found to buy the property at market value and then fund the renovation. The reality is the only way the remains of the original structure can be restored and celebrated is as part of a commercially viable redevelopment which is what has been proposed. The 'extension' is separated from the original structure visually and contrasted with this in such a way that, in my view, it does not over power or dominate the existing heritage buildings on the block. The irony is that all those opposing the redevelopment are achieving is ensuring that the building in its current state, an eyesore in anyones books, remains as-is indefinitely (a Pyrrhic victory if there ever was one) - have any of them actually come up with a viable solution or proposal - and I don't just mean an architectural solution but a funding solution that ensures the current owners receive either a market related price on a sale of the property or a market related return on any investment made in the property??????

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It's quite telling when one is sitting with a bunch of backpatting talentless architects, hellbent on destroying the old city or what is left of it. A process that started in the 1860's up until the present day. The Dutch city of Kaapstad was known as the Paris of the new world, beautiful beyond words with an architectural vernacular all of it's own. Unfortunately the old city is gone, peddled by greedy capitalists and untalented architects for probably the most mundane and boring of modern architecture examples in the international style. I giggle how a buildings heritage is weighed when the ill considered addition is such a cluster f*ck. If you are going to mess up a 300 year old building at least have the balls to say something...what is proposed looks like an Amanzimtoti apartment block...and these monkeys have the audacity to validate their opinions by calling heritage conservative? What idiots...how do you build a nation with some leftie anglophone whities who's main question is whether Tuscan is the new Balinese.
Thats quite a description of, and insult to, Gawie Fagan, one of Cape Towns (if not Africa's) most revered and honored Architects.... The list of awards, fellowhsips, etc that he has received is almost endless


BArch 1952 (Pretoria)

Born in the Cape Peninsula; grew up with a love of the sea, sailing, and the Cape architectural heritage. Twelve years as chief architect for a commercial bank with countrywide coverage aroused a strong interest in subtle regional differences. The Cape Town practice started in 1963 has always included much conservation, often in country villages. This has developed an intimate understanding of the beautiful vernacular architecture, so that lessons about sense of belonging, structural integrity, plasticity, proportion and scale are inherently part of new work, without being conscious references.

[UIA Issue 8, 1985]

FAGAN, Gabriel Theron, B.Arch. (Pta); Architect; Own practice, C.T.; Architect in Charge, Volkskas Bank, Pta. 1950 - 63; Awards: Cape Provincial Inst. of Architects' Awards of Merit, 1968, 1971, 1975, 1979, 1985, Cape Times' Centenary Award 1983, S.A. Academy of Science & Arts' Gold Medal, Simon v.d. Stel Foundation's Gold Medal, National Monuments Ccl.'s Gold Medal, Award of Merit from I.S.A.A. 1987, Gold Medal 1988; Co-Author "Church Street in the Land of Waveren"; Author: monthly column in Die Burger under the pseudonym "Argibel", regular articles in the Conservation Journal Restorica; A.R.I.B.A.; b. 15 Nov 1925, C.T.; s.o. Henry Allan Fagan and Jessie Fagan born Theron; m. 17 Dec. 1949, Gwendoline Elizabeth Gannon, 1s. 3d.; Educ.: Jan van Riebeeck; Rec.: sailing, flying, photography.

[Ref: Hayes, S.V. 1989. (ed) Who's Who of Southern Africa 1989 - 90. Who's Who of Southern Africa cc. Johannesburg. pg 216. Submitted by William MARTINSON]

Gawie FAGAN was the Sophia Gray Laureate in 1991 and the Milde McWilliams Memorial Lecture Laureate in 2012.

He was invited to participate in the 50 year Anniversary of the University of Pretoria School of Architecture Alumni Exhibition held at the Pretoria Art Gallery on 7-25 July 1993.

PROFESSIONAL CAREER:
Resident Architect Volkskas Bank, 1952 – 1964.
Responsible for maintenance and recycling of their buildings throughout South Africa, and designed 50 new banks during this period.
Private practice in Cape Town since 1964.
Part time lecturer in design - University of Cape Town, 1970 - 1972.
Monthly columnist on architecture for the Cape Town daily paper, "Die Burger" October 1984 – June 1987.
Co-author of the book "Church Street in the Land of Waveren" which records the restoration of Tulbagh – 1974 after the 1969 earthquake.
Photographer for book "Roses at the Cape of Good Hope" by Gwen Fagan – first published 1988, reprinted 1989 & 1995.
Author of the book "Twenty Cape Houses", first published 2005.
Author of book "Brakdak: Flatroofs in the Karoo", first published 2008.
Foundation and Honorary life member Vernacular Architecture Society.
Member of the Architectural Heritage Committee, South African Institute of Architects 1982 - 2007.
Member of the Council for the Environment 1982 - 1994.
Lecturer at the V&A symposium on Identity and Sustainability in London, November 2009.

Member of the board of trustees of:
Bo-Kaap Trust from 1990 - 1994
Cape Town Heritage Trust from 1988
Groot Constantia Trust – board member and honorary member from 2002
Simon van der Stel Foundation, life member

Special Awards:
1991 Fulton Award: Klein Constantia: New Maturation Cellar, Constantia Valley, Cape Town
1993 Fulton Award: Environmental Sculpture, Cape Point Entrance Gate
2000 Laureatus Award Alumni Board University of Pretoria
2008 Hon. Fellow of the American Institute of Architects
2010 City of Cape Town Civic Honours
Energy Effective Design:
1990 ESKOM Energy Effective Design Award for Klein Constantia New Wine Cellar
Awards for Conservation Work:
1979 Cape Times Centenary Award
1982 Tony Williams-Short Award
1984 Cape Tercentenary Foundation Award
2007 The CAPTRUST Award for Environmental Achievement
Sports:
1982 Winner of Trans Atlantic Cape to Punta del Este yacht race
1982 The South African Sport Merit Award: Navigation
2003 Winner Transatlantic Yacht Race to Bahia in his class, 3rd overall
Gold Medal Awards:
1973 Gold medal with G E Fagan from the National Monuments Council
1975 Gold medal from the South African Academy for Literature and Science
1982 Gold medal from the Simon van der Stel Foundation
1988 Gold medal of Honour from the South African Institute of Architects
1989 The Order for Meritorious Service: Gold (State President's Award)
2000 Cape Tercentenary Foundation: Molteno Medal
2003 Chancellor's Award, University of Pretoria
Honorary Doctorate Awards:
1991 D ARCH (HC) University of the Orange Free State
1993 D Phil (HC) University of Stellenbosch
Successful agitations for city improvements

Critical input regarding city engineer Dr.Morris's proposed freeways and parking garage in a sensitive part of the city which would have involved extensive demolition of heritage buildings.

Agitation in the media and by public meetings that the sea should be given back to Capetonians: February 1980. This led to the appointment of the Burggraaff Commission and the subsequent establishment of the V&A.

See the Fagan Collection on UP Space.

Books published

Fagan, Gawie & Fagan, Gwen, 1975. Church Street in the Land of Waveren. Cape Town: Tulbagh Restoration Committee
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Fagan, G, 2005. Twenty Cape Houses. Cape Town: Breestraat Publikasies
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Fagan, G, 2008. Brakdak : platdakke in die Karoo. Cape Town: Breestraat Publikasies
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Entries in Books published

Fagan, Gabriël. Gabriël Fagan. Architect's House, Camps Bay, Cape Town: in . 1985. UIA International Architect : Southern Africa (Issue 8): pp 48
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Books with reference to FAGAN

Anonymous. 2005. In honour of Gawie Fagan : in celebration of his 80th birthday. Cape Town: Vernacular Architecture Society of South Africa. pp All
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Bakker, Karel A, Clarke, Nicholas J & Fisher, Roger C. 2014. Eclectic ZA Wilhelmiens : A shared Dutch built heritage in South Africa. Pretoria: Visual Books. pp 63
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Beck, Haig (Editor). 1985. UIA International Architect : Southern Africa (Issue 8). London: International Architect. pp Inner front cover, 48-49
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Picton-Seymour, Désirée. 1989. Historical Buildings in South Africa. Cape Town: Struikhof Publishers. pp 76
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Entries in books with reference to FAGAN

Fagan, Gabriël. Gabriël Fagan. Architect's House, Camps Bay, Cape Town: in Beck, Haig (Editor). 1985. UIA International Architect : Southern Africa (Issue 8): pp 48-49
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Fisher, Roger C. The Third Vernacular: Pretoria Regionalism — Aspects of an Emergence: in Fisher, RC, Le Roux, SW and Maré, E (Eds). 1998. Architecture of the Transvaal: pp 124, 128, 135
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Silverman, Melinda. 'Ons bou vir die bank': Nationalism, architecture and Volkskas Bank: in Judin, Hilton & Vladislavić, Ivan (editors) and Vladislavic, Ivan (editors). 1998. blank______ Architecture, apartheid and after: pp 129, 135-141
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Writings on FAGAN

MEINTJES, Clyde, 2005. A tribute to Gabriel Fagan - on the occasion of his eightieth birthday, 15th November, 2005. Unpublished.

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