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Old September 16th, 2012, 01:29 PM   #81
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Perhaps lighting up the flyover would be a feasible measure to prevent it being an eyesore.



I personally think completing the flyover would do wonders for traffic volumes at the intersections of Coen Steytler and Helen Suzman.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 10:58 AM   #82
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Would be interesting to see what UCT students come up with.
It is just about "200 m" of Highway finalization. Can't be that big deal.

However, please don't make it a new lightening icon competing with Table Mountain at night. Please don't waste money and energy for "over lightening" and generating an eyesore during the day.

Eventually UCT students come up with some interesting alternative "how to demolish" the unfinished off ramp space and developing the gained space with interesting alternatives.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 04:21 PM   #83
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However, please don't make it a new lightening icon competing with Table Mountain at night. Please don't waste money and energy for "over lightening" and generating an eyesore during the day.
LED lighting. Energy?

A bridge to compete with Table Mountain? What...? 15m versus 1000m, I'm flabbergasted. Should Portside be darkened at night so that it doesn't offend the mountain? Do we know the rule of infrastructure you need: You can't hide it, flaunt it.

People said this would come earlier on in the thread. Conservative Capetonains will NEVER allow the Foreshore freeways to be an icon or provide a gateway in itself.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #84
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Perhaps lighting up the flyover would be a feasible measure to prevent it being an eyesore.


Depends on the type of lighting. This is a definite no.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 03:01 PM   #85
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Why not turn it into a park? Like the high-line in nyc.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 03:08 PM   #86
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I feel like I'm going a bit crazy but I don't understand how the highway "cuts the city off from the sea". There's a large harbour behind the highway... Not exactly like you can stroll on to the beach and take a dip. And the harbour isn't exactly a pretty sight either.

I wouldn't mind either option that is chosen. If it's completed I'll be happy mostly cos large infrastructure project get me wet. If it's demolished and something very hip (ie Capetonian) is put in its place I'd also not complain. And if they feel like sinking the highway, well then refer to the first option

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Old September 19th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #87
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I feel like I'm going a bit crazy but I don't understand how the highway "cuts the city off from the sea". There's a large harbour behind the highway... Not exactly like you can stroll on to the beach and take a dip. And the harbour isn't exactly a pretty sight either.

I wouldn't mind either option that is chosen. If it's completed I'll be happy mostly cos large infrastructure project get me wet. If it's demolished and something very hip (ie Capetonian) is put in its place I'd also not complain. And if they feel like sinking the highway, well then refer to the first option
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Old September 20th, 2012, 08:32 AM   #88
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The freeways should be completed. They were designed to free flow traffic, and thats what they will do once they are completed. Peak traffic in that area is a nightmare. Demolishing those bridges will even worsen the traffic situation.
Id have free traffic flow over aesthetics anytime .
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Old September 20th, 2012, 09:00 AM   #89
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Here are some modern bridges.

This one looks like a steel bridge. It looks lighter. Is cheaper than a concrete bridge?


I also like these tall slim bridges
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Old September 20th, 2012, 09:01 AM   #90
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Some great bridge illumination.



LED's the way to go
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Old September 20th, 2012, 10:44 AM   #91
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Here are some modern bridges.

This one looks like a steel bridge. It looks lighter. Is cheaper than a concrete bridge?

I like.
Decent solution for merely 200 m bridge finalisation
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Old September 20th, 2012, 10:50 AM   #92
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When did we all do a 180 turn and decide that completing the freeway was a good idea?
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Old September 20th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #93
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I think people are just playing around with ideas. Nothing's decided. However we MUST do something. Either demolish the unfinished ones, complete them, demolish all of them, or bury them.
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Old September 20th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #94
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Here is an interesting picture on Boston's big dig. For those who want to freeways to be buried.

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Old September 22nd, 2012, 12:03 PM   #95
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Thats fantastic, but also bear in mind that our highway is at the water's edge. Im no engineer, but digging that close to the sea would be very dangerous, if not costly techniques would need to be employed?
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 01:09 PM   #96
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Boston's freeways are also but blocks away from the sea. It can be done here, however you are correct. It is a VERY expensive, albeit, best for traffic-and-pedestrian solution.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 03:48 PM   #97
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 04:02 PM   #98
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Thats fantastic, but also bear in mind that our highway is at the water's edge. Im no engineer, but digging that close to the sea would be very dangerous, if not costly techniques would need to be employed?
Correction, The are a few parts of Boston's Big Dig which go under the rivers and inlets of the Boston Harbour.
However the completed project has been plagued by leaking roofs sections and a cieling collapse which caused 1 fatality in 2006.



Although the benefits of burying the freeway is undeniable as shown above, we should look at the overall cost of the project. would it be viable to bury a section of freeway which is about 1-2km long. And if they bury it, would sections be extended to link up with Helen Suzman drive. If not, it will have no benefits for improving traffic flow, which is the main reason of completed the Freeway flyovers.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:04 AM   #99
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+ add the cost of demolishing the existing roads, which would cause massive traffic disruptions and disruption of port operations. The city would grind to a standstill if the major arteries (N1/2) into the city are to be shut. The demolition and sinking of new highways would take a few years, with the potential of crippling the city's economy. Thus, the real economic cost to the city would be unimaginable.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 09:34 PM   #100
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nah they should leave it un-complete that way people will continue about dreaming of different solutions to finish it .....let's not spoil in for future generations
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