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Old July 25th, 2018, 03:36 PM   #61
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When all of the ground level carparks finally go, what is going to replace the parking capacity of them?

The locals aren't going to switch to catching public transport. The best you could ever hope for would be to build big park and ride carparks and hope that people would drive to them and catch a bus (or light rail).
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Old July 25th, 2018, 03:37 PM   #62
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All of Canberra should go.......should never have been built
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Old July 25th, 2018, 03:42 PM   #63
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The route isn't direct or fast, but instead services the high employment-density areas near Parliament House. These areas aren't well served by PT at the moment
There's around 12 bus trips per hour from Civic to Barton in the off-peak at the moment (route 200, 6 and 2/3), and 8 trips an hour through Parkes (just the 2/3 and 6), and even more during peak hours. Isn't that quite a good service?

If you were going from Woden to that area it's less well serviced, yes, as the direct route only runs during peak hours. But nobody actually wants to go to Woden
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When all of the ground level carparks finally go, what is going to replace the parking capacity of them?

The locals aren't going to switch to catching public transport. The best you could ever hope for would be to build big park and ride carparks and hope that people would drive to them and catch a bus (or light rail).
In most cases redevelopment of the surface carparks has increased available parking as new buildings incorporate 1 or more levels of parking underground and/or above ground (eg, Canberra Centre). But in any event use of cars alone for the journey to work in Canberra has declined significantly in recent years with increased use of public transport, cycling, walking, and as you suggest park and ride (according to ABS cenus). I suspect higher parking fees have been the main driver of this change to date, but more comfortable and faster trips by light rail in the north at the end of this year will see a further increase in public transport share.
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Old July 26th, 2018, 04:22 AM   #65
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Exactly. The lease conditions on the blocks oblige developers to provide enough public parking to replace what's lost, which when added to the parking provided for the residents and businesses usually results in a huge number of bays total. The linked article shows that there will be around 1300 bays just in stage 1.

You're also right about the reducing reliance on cars. The whole point of this thread is to show how much Canberra is driving development through infill and density rather than sprawl. Medium and high density dwellings represent something like 80-85 per cent of the new additions to the stock in Canberra, higher than any other city in the country (even Sydney).

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There's around 12 bus trips per hour from Civic to Barton in the off-peak at the moment (route 200, 6 and 2/3), and 8 trips an hour through Parkes (just the 2/3 and 6), and even more during peak hours. Isn't that quite a good service?

If you were going from Woden to that area it's less well serviced, yes, as the direct route only runs during peak hours. But nobody actually wants to go to Woden
Going through Russell is hugely slow in peak hour, and the 2, 3 and 6 all terminate in the city or wind through the inner north so a change in Civic is needed. The proposed light rail route would provide (for the first time) a fast, regular and direct link to Parkes/Barton for Gungahlin, Woden and the Inner North.
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Old July 26th, 2018, 04:43 AM   #66
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I'd also like to add that densification and light rail are deeply co-dependent. The certainty provided by light rail is underpinning huge investment in density along the route, while the resulting density will also provide the demand to make the light rail successful.

By my estimates, since the light rail was confirmed (2016) roughly 25 per cent of the new dwelling supply in Canberra has been constructed within walking distance of a stage 1 LR stop. And based on announced projects this ratio will be maintained for at least another 4-5 years and given the Government land sale schedule it'll maybe be maintained for a decade.

Adding projects along the proposed route of stage 2 would increase that ratio to around 40 per cent before that stage is even confirmed. I don't doubt that if/when the contracts are signed we'll see a similar market response to the one following stage 1, and the share of new dwellings being constructed along the total light rail route will be more than half of all the new dwellings in Canberra.
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Old July 26th, 2018, 05:24 AM   #67
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I love it. If it keeps going at this rate, in the next few decades I think Canberra will become one of the most vibrant, interesting urban centres in Australia.
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I love it. If it keeps going at this rate, in the next few decades I think Canberra will become one of the most vibrant, interesting urban centres in Australia.
certainly more vibrant than Perth.
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certainly more vibrant than Perth.
Fantastic contribution, would read again.
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Fantastic contribution, would read again.
I second this, Mister Ignoranus
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Canberra is designed around the motor car...spread out !
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Old June 13th, 2019, 03:58 AM   #74
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It's been 18 months or so since I started this thread, so I thought it might be a good time for a little update.

Things are still going gangbusters in Canberra. Population growth is strong (despite continued slow declines in the number of Federal Government employees), the economy is doing well and there is no sign of the malaise impacting property markets elsewhere.

Apartments continue to dominate new house building despite prices having now been virtually unchanged for more than ten years. The development industry is clearly very adept at keeping supply and demand well balanced.

House prices continue to grow steadily, helped by limited new building due to the ACT Government restricting supply of new blocks.

The increasing land tax rates are also having a big (and intended) effect on the shape of the city, particularly the Inner North. The replacement of old single dwelling blocks with townhouses and low rise apartments continues at a strong pace, with townhouses and terraces becoming an increasingly common choice for families.

However, there is also a noticeable (but temporary) drawback from this process in the shape of a large number of increasingly dilapidated older homes and vacant office buildings in the city awaiting redevelopment (the houses are often rented out to students for barely more than the owners would be paying in rates and land taxes)

Finally, the Light Rail line from Gunghalin to the city is now fully operational and generating strong patronage. In fact, all signs are that the Government will need to investigate ways to increase peak capacity as the trams are already sardine-can full during the morning and even peaks.
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Old June 13th, 2019, 04:17 AM   #75
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Whats Gone:

Offices-
If you are a fan of mid-century modern office blocks that have no unique or appealing features, then its been a bad couple of years in Canberra. Recent demolitions include:

Myuna complex


NRMA House


MacArthur House


20 Allara St


39 London Circuit


15 Bowes St


Public housing
The ACT Government has recently completed demolition of huge numbers of social housing blocks along Northbourne Avenue, and has recently sold off similar complexes across the Inner South and Woden.

Dickson Flats


Lyneham Flats


Northbourne Flats



Next post will cover recently completed developments
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Old June 14th, 2019, 10:27 AM   #76
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What's been completed

Around 7000 new dwellings have been completed in Canberra I started this thread in Nov 17 (ABS Building Activity Data). Of these, only about 2000 were detached houses (less than 30 per cent), while townhouses/terraces were similar (around 25 per cent). The vast majority of new completions are apartments (more than 45 per cent of all new dwellings).

The list below contains most of the larger (~100 apartments or more).


Inner North

Highgate (Civic, 190 apartments)




Siena (Campbell, 72 apartments)




Koben (Campbell, 100 apartments)



214 Northbourne (Braddon, Hotel & Apartments)




On Forbes (Turner, 215 Apartments)




Malabar (Dickson, 224 apartments)





Inner South


Salt (Kingston, 108 apartments)



The Archer (Griffith, 96 Apartments)





Gungahlin

Infinity (426 apartments)





Uptown (130 apartments)





Woden, Belconnen, Tuggeranong, Molonglo

Nothing big finished in the older town centres, but there's a lot of massive projects U/C or on sale (next posts will have those)

Molonglo is still filling out with lots of 30-40 apartment blocks, but nothing really worth posting.

I'll post pictures of what's currently U/C next
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Whats Gone:

Offices-
If you are a fan of mid-century modern office blocks that have no unique or appealing features, then its been a bad couple of years in Canberra. Recent demolitions include:

Myuna complex


NRMA House


MacArthur House


20 Allara St


39 London Circuit


15 Bowes St


Public housing
The ACT Government has recently completed demolition of huge numbers of social housing blocks along Northbourne Avenue, and has recently sold off similar complexes across the Inner South and Woden.

Dickson Flats


Lyneham Flats


Northbourne Flats



Next post will cover recently completed developments

Defence forces, anti terrorist squads and Fire Dept should use them for training first
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Defence forces, anti terrorist squads and Fire Dept should use them for training first
Defence and Police have their own little town near the airport for that sort of stuff. They also used Anzac Park East for a while. Its about to go for flats.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 07:42 PM   #79
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Alrighty then. Time for pics of what's U/C.

I've broken U/C projects into two posts. The first includes projects that are nearly complete, while the second is projects still in the earlier stages of construction.

Some interesting facts about U/C developments:

There are currently around 5500 apartments under construction across Canberra, or a bit over two years supply (~2500 completed per year). There's also more than 1500 townhouses and terraces U/C.

Apartments U/C by region (rounded to nearest 100):
  • Inner North: 1800
  • Inner South: 700
  • Woden/Weston: 1000
  • Belconnen: 1200
  • Tuggeranong: 0 (I think, lots of townhouses though)
  • Gungahlin: 600
  • Molonglo: 400

Projects nearing completion:

Inner North

Iskia (Campbell, 145 units)
--Sorry about the shitty lighting--




Civic Quarter (Civic, Office)




Founders Lane - Stage 1 (Braddon, ~250 units)




Founders Lane - Stage 2 (Braddon, ~80 units)




Midnight (Braddon, 260 units + hotel)




Yamaroshi (Braddon, 60 units)






Inner South


Kingsborough precinct (Kingston, ~260 units)




Woden/Weston


Ivy (Woden Town Centre (TC), 274 units)




A&A Buildings conversion (Woden TC, 200 units)




Gungahlin

Ruby (Gungahlin TC, 180 units)




There's nothing close to completion in Belconnen but there'll be a couple in the next post (early construction).
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Other projects U/C:

I've included renders with these updates.

***Inner North***


Constitution Place (Civic, Office & Hotel)





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Park Avenue (Civic, 184 units)
--still just a hole in the ground--





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The Capitol (Civic, 204 units)
--up to level 8ish--





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Metropol complex (Reid, 570 units across 3 buildings)
--earthworks have only just started--





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Founders Lane - Stages 3 & 4 (Braddon, 460 units)
--no proper pic, it's the site with the digger in this pic--



Stage 3


Stage 4



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The Grounds (Braddon, 140 units)
--basement nearly complete so it should start rising soon--






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Embark (Lyneham, 150 units)
--this is the first stage of a larger project--






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DKSN Stage 1 (Dickson, 100 units + Office)
--a further 190 units are included in stage 2, which should start soon--



This is the whole precinct, stage 1 is the two far buildings and stage 2 is the rest


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***Inner South***


Sapphire (Kingston, 80 units)

--these apartments are super exxy--






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Atria (Kingston, 167 units)






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***Woden/Weston***




Grand Central (Woden TC, 430 units, ~80m)








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***Belconnen***

Republic Precinct - Buildings 1-4 (Belconnen TC, ~1000 units + Hotel, 112m)
--I've included some extra pics for this one. It's absolutely huge. 4 buildings with >1000 Apartments U/C at the same time (there's also a fifth tower for later completion--


(CanberraTimes)






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Cirrus (Belconnen TC, 226 units)






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***Gungahlin***



Lumi (Gungahlin TC, 153 units)



from Diverse Concreting Facebook




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Jade (Gungahlin TC, 167 units)

--This pic really shows how tightly crowded it's getting in that little area of Gungahlin.

Jade is just the site with the crane, the building behind is Infinity (pics in my earlier 'completed buildings' post), the red scaffolding to the left is for Ruby (shown in my post just before this one), and the scaffolding to the right is for Lumi--







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My next post (probably in a couple of days) will list all of the projects that are approved/on sale.
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