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Old April 7th, 2010, 11:40 AM   #321
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We can be hopeful, right?
Very nicely done, but could replace the SNCF logo too
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Is that a double decker model? It looks a little squashed, lol.

That said... very nicely done.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #323
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If only...
I envy the Europe train system so much
the ICE, Thalys, EuroStar and the ItalianEurostar are like the best way to travel in Europe. Better than planes imo, if only Australia has something like that
even that EuroCity train is good... but the regional trains are similar to our city trains...
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Is that a double decker model? It looks a little squashed, lol.

That said... very nicely done.
Yes, it is the duplex model. Capacity to carry 500 people for the high capacity services. Rode one while I was in France, quite a comfortable ride.

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Old April 7th, 2010, 12:28 PM   #325
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I love Alstom's new Italian high-speed trains. They're just pure sex. The red especially, it just makes them look brilliant.





They look great in grey too.





If HSR came to Oz, I'd want those trains! Some of Italy's new train stations would be great too.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 12:39 PM   #326
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The current Eurostar Italia is alright though. What's the point of having high speed train if Italian rails are crap? Current rolling stock can travel 300km/h but rail speed is max of 250km/h for a few kilometres between Bologna and Rome.

Italy, fix your rail up! France, Spain, Germany, Netherlands and Belgium have 300km/h+ tracks!
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Old April 7th, 2010, 12:53 PM   #327
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France's tracks to Strasbourg are 350km/h aren't they? I think it's the fastest HSR route in the world (excluding the Shanghai Maglev I guess).

Of course I could be wrong, as I'm really not a train expert
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Old April 7th, 2010, 12:59 PM   #328
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^ the AGV, the next gen trains which are pushing toward the 400kph barrier. They're expected to see service speeds of 360kph (on lines that have had equipment to cater for the trains at those speeds in Europe).

Average speed for Melbourne - Albury - Canberra - Sydney of 320kph would see the journey done in 2h30m-2h45m quite comfortably with express services naturally doing better times.

Bombardiér have a 380kph train in the works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zefiro#Zefiro_380
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There have been major rail development in China recently. Zhengzhou–Xi'an Passenger Dedicated Line has an operating speed of 350km/h. Fastest 'scheduled service' is Wuhan–Guangzhou High-Speed Railway, averaging 313km/h and maximum service speed of 350km/h.

I think (LGV Est européenne) Paris-Strasbourg is 320km/h.

There are design speeds, operating speeds, scheduled speeds, scheduled average speeds and top speeds. No point in having high speed trains if the rails are crap.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 01:13 PM   #330
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The current Eurostar Italia is alright though. What's the point of having high speed train if Italian rails are crap? Current rolling stock can travel 300km/h but rail speed is max of 250km/h for a few kilometres between Bologna and Rome.

Italy, fix your rail up! France, Spain, Germany, Netherlands and Belgium have 300km/h+ tracks!
I still remember catching that dodgy Leonardo Express from the airport and then getting off at Roma Termini...
i agree with you, they prob have the shittest rail system in the countries you mentioned. not too sure about spain cos i havent been there
their Florence-Pisa aerodome train smells like a fuking toilet
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Leonardo Express train is a ******* joke. It's like the post-war single storey cattle train hastily refurbished. Passengers pay a premium (14 Euros) for this dodgy service!
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Old April 7th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #332
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European trains are boring...

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Isn't that Japanese?

Personally I reckon VLocitys look better

That thing is just way out of proportion
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Old April 8th, 2010, 06:34 AM   #334
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I just loved the white Japanese Shinkansen trains with their pointy noses. Every time I saw one, my heart melted, and the last time I rode on it, I almost cried, haha. It stole my heart!

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Planks and Sticks, you are more than welcome to photoshop the last one into Central also!
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Old April 8th, 2010, 08:05 AM   #335
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There have been major rail development in China recently. Zhengzhou–Xi'an Passenger Dedicated Line has an operating speed of 350km/h. Fastest 'scheduled service' is Wuhan–Guangzhou High-Speed Railway, averaging 313km/h and maximum service speed of 350km/h.

I think (LGV Est européenne) Paris-Strasbourg is 320km/h.

There are design speeds, operating speeds, scheduled speeds, scheduled average speeds and top speeds. No point in having high speed trains if the rails are crap.
Yes, the fastest scheduled (the most important for passengers) is the Guanzhou-Wuhan service, over 350km/h it is reported.

But theres a great deal more to be said about China ...

If China already hasn't the best high-speed network in the world, it very soon will. The dual high speed tracks on, much on viaducts, are being built from Guangzhou toward Beijing at almost 2km/day (faster than the 1km/day for the Golmud-Lhasa line, but give those workers credit for building at 5,000m asl in freezing weather). Then there'll be Zhengzhou–Xi'an, Zhengzhou-Shanghai, Shanghai-Beijing and Beijing -everywhere else. These are mostly dedicated to passengers because China has a lot, really a lot, of passengers. China will build however High Speed Freight lines parallel to the passengers one for good measure, all the more viable because these are also used for military transport as well.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China (it must be true because its in Wikipedia) for all the details.

Compare that to Australia that struggles to extend a single pathetic extension of a metroplitan network at 1-2km/year.

Apart from the 25,000km domestic HSR network to rival its already 65,000km motorways, there are possibilites for a 20km Himalaya base tunnel to connect China and India (over 3 billion people in two of the largest economies, compare that to the Swiss tunnels) once the Nepalese can sort their mess out.

Then there was recently some negotiation with Russia about a HSR to Europe, great since that Trans-Mongolian train trip I took got a little boring after the 3rd day. Another slightly warmer route via Kazakhstan is also mooted which could link the Middle East via Iran and places like Kyrgyzstan (a developing news story as i write)

The route east to Japan is easy to build via Korea existing HSR Seoul to Pusan (only small political issue at the DMZ because the North Korean flag on the train must be higher, then theres a bit of bickering between Japan and Korea over some islands and the Sea or Japan/East Sea holding up that bridge/tunnel project).

Engineers have already measured out a motorway/rail bridge over the Taiwan Strait to 'Chinese Taipei' as part of Beijings plans to link all its provinces to its capital, but the Taiwanese are understandably a little uncomfortable with this motive and are holding it up.

China aint called the 'Middle Kingdom' for nothing, they will also go south to Vietnam border though they let the Vietnamese bother with the rest to HCMC. More importantly, the rail line through Burma to Thailand and Singapore is increasingly likely. The Chinese have generously agreed to pay for a HSR and motorway network in Burma in exchange for Burmese nickel, copper and other resources. When the red-shirts calm down and Thailand gets back to work the Thai can easily build their share (they're very familiar at elevated rail and road), Malaysia can revive HSR plans from Mahatir days. Indonesia is planning Megabridges to connect Sumatera with Malaya and Java, which could take the rail to Denpasar. Now maybe from there a tunnel to Darwin is possible provided it avoids any geological turbulence. It could reach Darwin by 2036 geo-politics permitting, long before construction of the Sydney-Canberra HSR leg is even started!
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http://lh5.ggpht.com/_eVQp-5ZPrLY/S7..._central11.jpg

We can be hopeful, right?
Heh, in the absence of RailPage I reckon if you'd circulated that on April 1 plenty of people would have believed it.
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I just loved the white Japanese Shinkansen trains with their pointy noses. Every time I saw one, my heart melted, and the last time I rode on it, I almost cried, haha. It stole my heart!

Planks and Sticks, you are more than welcome to photoshop the last one into Central also!


Not too sure how obvious it is though, but at least you can be creative.
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^ Aww, thanks!!! That's so bloody awesome! You've got great photoshop skills that I want to abuse now! Forget sketching our own dream rail maps, this makes me infinitely more excited! Hahah. The Shinkansen and TGV all at Central.. One can dream!
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Leonardo Express train is a ******* joke. It's like the post-war single storey cattle train hastily refurbished. Passengers pay a premium (14 Euros) for this dodgy service!
I felt like i was catching a regional train isntead of an airport express
at least the birssy airport line looks better
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Old April 8th, 2010, 12:22 PM   #340
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^ rail freight is about volume that can be moved by 1 train driver and 1 diesel loco compared to 100 drivers and 100 diesel trucks compared with the benefits of point to point movement on a single truck. Time is relatively unimportant.

obviously every minute saved helps the cause for rail but trucks will still have a roll to play for point to point delivery within 8 hours that will always be a struggle to provide through trains.

HSR for freight is a bit of an oxy moron. unless you're payload is very light you won't be getting a freight train up to 200km/h. 130ish is probably a good cruising speed for us to aim for with freight lines.
I think we need to distinguish track from train.

Several HSR sections in Europe, OTTOMH the Perpignan to Costa Brava section will also carry freight and the passenger train density here will never be particularly high. The main reason is it will be standard gauge and save transhipment as well as time.

I expect Lyon to Turin will also get this.

Of course the rolling stock is a different matter.

Assuming a suitable window is found for maintenance, I can't see any reason why freights can't run solidly one after another on the HSR section once passenger service has wound down for the evening.

Keep in mind on some of the longer sections, say Barcelona to Marseille, it will still take the train 3 hours at high speed, the last practical time to leave might be 9pm so it will arrive at midnight, so straight after the last passenger train you could run fleets of freights.

I don't know if this would work in Australia. They really must squeeze the maitenance into the overnight window as shutting the whole line for a weekend, as is the custom here, would never compete with air.

And I'm not sure running freights on the HSR would help if it didn't get transit times below 6 hours capital to capital. However, using a bit of the line, say Sydney to Goulburn, to avoid an hour or 2 of transit time for existing services, might be worthwhile.
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